1962 Gibson Catalog

[allenhopkins]

The very first 1902 Gibson Catalog list the F-5 as "Artist" model. Thats not new.

The ES-125-TC, ES140T, ES175, The double 12 string, and double mandolin as well as the A-5 Florentine and Florentine Electric were all described in the catalog as having Florentine cutaways. It mattered not whether they were electric, oval holed, two point, guitars, mandolins or combinations of each. They have a Florentine cutaway and you can read it in the descriptions. That use of the word 'Florentine' is pretty straightforward. Now whether they invented the word in marketing and applied it to the F-style mandolin which also have that Florentine cutaway and point in retrospect or if it was an old term brought forward is the question. Speaking in absolutes really gets nowhere...

A "Florentine cutaway" on an electric guitar, like the ones you listed, doesn not justify the inference that the "F" in F-model mandolins stands for "Florentine." Show me where Gibson called one of their F-model mandolins "Florentine" before the last decade or so, when the "F = Florentine" equivalence slipped into common usage.

F-style mandolins do not have a "Florentine cutaway"; they don't have a cutaway at all. When Gibson applied the term "Florentine" to mandolins, they referred to the two-point body, like the '60's A-5 or the earlier EM-150.

Speaking in absolutes (which I'm not) may not get us anywhere, but mixing up "Florentine cutaways" on guitars, and "Florentine" two-point mandolins, with F-model mandolins, doesn't clarify the matter of whether "F = Florentine" in the Gibson nomenclature.

[TEE]

No need to discuss anything with someone who speaks in absolutes or infers what others are thinking.

[allenhopkins]

If looking for real evidence constitutes "speaking in absolutes," I plead guilty.

[stevedenver]

ooooohhhhh, i would like an ES 330-did it join at the 16th fret? or was it a later model? one of my favorite jazz typews, emily remler, made amazing music on a 330

[Jim Garber]

Eggs Florentine (with cutaway)

[TEE]

ooooohhhhh, i would like an ES 330-did it join at the 16th fret? or was it a later model? one of my favorite jazz typews, emily remler, made amazing music on a 330

It was a 1965 Es-330-TD. It had the two P-90's. Joined at the 16th fret all original and in excellent condition. Sunburst.