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    Quote Originally Posted by journeybear View Post
    Better strings helped it sound better than it did out of the box; a good set-up is next.

    So yeah, this is twice what it should be, more or less.
    One thing I've learned about an F4 - it wants to be an only child. Sounds the best when there are no other nearby mandolins to endlessly compare it against

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    This one is even more ridiculous....

    https://reverb.com/item/47200281-gib...m=Feed%20Email
    You're right! An A doesn't become an A2 all by itself, and no amount of ad copy can change that. Seller should take a look at his own photos, FCOL. And as beat up as this is, asking a tenth of that is too much. "Used - excellent."
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    All these crazy prices make me appreciate my F2 all the more.

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    Right? The damage it sustained didn't affect its playability, at least after the luthier was done fixing it. Of course, it's no longer collectible, which in some ways is a good thing - it kept the price down, yet if it plays fine, that's what matters. This A model, though ... I don't know what the seller is thinking. It needs a lot of work. Yes, they promise to do the job right, but restored and refinished? Not for that much. And they really should stop calling it an A-2. Look at the label, look at the headstock. ĦAy caramba!
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    As far as I've seen, a Loar-era F4 (compared to an earlier F4) is just an F4 with a truss rod. Am I wrong?
    Other differences that occurred in the early 1920's: The necks were slimmed down sometime during 1922 or '23. Adjustable bridges start to appear in 1921. At some point, the cam style pickguard clamp is phased out and replaced with a screw-in mounting bracket. The flowerpot peghead inlay is redesigned to accommodate the truss rod. None of these changes occurred overnight, they were phased in gradually.

    I think the magic "Loar" tone comes from the new pickguard bracket and the redesigned flowerpot.

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    …….I think the magic "Loar" tone comes from the new pickguard bracket and the redesigned flowerpot.
    Sort of.

    Most people don’t realize that the new pickguard bracket allowed the pickguard to act as an external Virsi-type device, hence the enhanced tone.
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    Right. Far from it blocking the sound coming out of the treble f-hole, it resonated, initiating the production of even more brilliant tones and higher volume. Ever notice how much people ask for vintage pickguards? This is why. A dirty little secret that, now I've told, might see me suffer the consequences if the Virzi mob can find me. I might have to alert the Bluegrass Police.
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    No, that's not it at all. The old bracket exerted vertical tension on the mandolin rib, which restricted its horizontal oscillations and increased the resonant frequency of the rib beyond its ideal critical value. The new bracket relieved the rib of this tension so that its vibrations could be transmitted through the air in a parabolic arch and collected in the new, more efficiently designed flowerpot. The new flowerpot had a higher resonant frequency than the old one, which had the same "Q" as the newly released rib vibrations, which caused them to bounce when they hit the bottom of the flowerpot and spring out with highly magnified velocity right towards the player's ear.

    I know I'm right-- I took a 13 week course in non-calculus based physics in 1982 and got an "A".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazz Jass View Post
    This one is even more ridiculous....

    https://reverb.com/item/47200281-gib...m=Feed%20Email
    This guy is going to need more than $8500 or $9999.11 to pay his legal bill if Garrett Park spots his ad and decides to report him to the Federal Trade Commission for using that image of their old A-2 listing with the intentionally modified price. I wonder if he knows how to spell F-R-A-U-D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by journeybear View Post
    Right? The damage it sustained didn't affect its playability, at least after the luthier was done fixing it. Of course, it's no longer collectible, which in some ways is a good thing - it kept the price down, yet if it plays fine, that's what matters. This A model, though ... I don't know what the seller is thinking. It needs a lot of work. Yes, they promise to do the job right, but restored and refinished? Not for that much. And they really should stop calling it an A-2. Look at the label, look at the headstock. ĦAy caramba!
    I looked at the label - that's not a 1921 label like I ever saw!


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    Now this is really quite unattractive:

    https://cartervintage.com/collection...bson-a-5-1960s

    Not lump-scroll unattractive, but pretty close....

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    I assume it went to Gibson and had a new label pasted in for some reason. I didn't know that an extra bridge and saddles could add so much to the "value" of an instrument! I nearly fell over when I saw the price!

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    Here's a bowlback that would require repairs/restoration greater than the value of the instrument:

    https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/...419658521.html

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    What kind of bridge is that?

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    Homemade? Weird adaptation of something? I give up.

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    Pretty sure it's a cut down comb. As in men's hair comb. That's a first for me. Never seen that before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Platt View Post
    Pretty sure it's a cut down comb. As in men's hair comb. That's a first for me. Never seen that before.
    That was my guess too. Ha!
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    Bridge moved north to compensate high action from cracked neck and probably made lower than original, but the seller admits problems and lack of knowledge, so probably honest! At least not a dental bridge.
    Glue isn’t gonna fix this one, and it looks like an economy model, so project for a hobbyist at best. So unless someone id’s it as the long lost masterpiece of some long departed master, even I wouldn’t pay shipping to get it free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazz Jass View Post
    Now this is really quite unattractive:

    https://cartervintage.com/collection...bson-a-5-1960s

    Not lump-scroll unattractive, but pretty close....
    Lump scroll might be more attractive, sad to say.

    I don't think the F-style peghead fits. The headstock scroll needs to be balanced by a body scroll. Methinks the design would have been improved with a snakehead. 'Twould be more symmetrical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazz Jass View Post
    Now this is really quite unattractive:

    https://cartervintage.com/collection...bson-a-5-1960s

    Not lump-scroll unattractive, but pretty close....
    It looks like it is going "wheeeee".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazz Jass View Post
    Now this is really quite unattractive:

    https://cartervintage.com/collection...bson-a-5-1960s

    Not lump-scroll unattractive, but pretty close....
    Well, it might be better with a snakehead peghead on the reneck, but I like it, I'm partial to 2 points. There certainly have been a lot uglier ones go by on many threads here.

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    I did a quick search "garrett park guitars gibson mandolin a2" and the first URL returned does, indeed, have a price of $9999.11
    I don't get it, but there it is. And I've been waiting for someone to ask the $8500 seller if his price is off by a decimal point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcc56 View Post
    Other differences that occurred in the early 1920's: The necks were slimmed down sometime during 1922 or '23. Adjustable bridges start to appear in 1921. At some point, the cam style pickguard clamp is phased out and replaced with a screw-in mounting bracket. The flowerpot peghead inlay is redesigned to accommodate the truss rod. None of these changes occurred overnight, they were phased in gradually.

    I think the magic "Loar" tone comes from the new pickguard bracket and the redesigned flowerpot.
    as RCC noted there *are* differences, however the bottom line is that the market will bear these prices and there are buyers who will value them at that level or near to it. And lately I don’t really recall many dealers pricing exc condition f-4s at $5k. I seem them more at $6-7k and exc F-2s at $4-5k. And I have also noticed that at most boutique shops the A models have creeped up to $5k+. We will see what the market will bear. This thread is a bunch of us joking about the ridiculous levels that asking prices have risen to.
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    Then there is this 1975 F-5....

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/26535554758...IAAOSwqK5hY1oa

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCNelson View Post
    I did a quick search "garrett park guitars gibson mandolin a2" and the first URL returned does, indeed, have a price of $9999.11
    I don't get it, but there it is. And I've been waiting for someone to ask the $8500 seller if his price is off by a decimal point.
    The Garret Park Guitars website does indeed have that listing - though it is listed as sold, with no price displayed. So someone did buy it, but we have no info regarding what was the actual selling price.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    This thread is a bunch of us joking about the ridiculous levels that asking prices have risen to.
    Yes, among other things, but definitely geared toward jocularity and astonishment at such things. It does seem that most instances reported here are outliers, not indicators of trends. Though someone could play around with the math and concoct some sort of theoretical analysis concerning serious matters. But yeah, we're just having a bit of fun here, usually at the expense of sellers who are greedy, underinformed, or just plain wrongheaded. There seems to be an endless supply of them.
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