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    I love this stuff, guys! Thanks a ton, Darryl for filling in all these blanks.

    I wonder what they charged Griffith for this one. Any sales receipts? I am just curious. There really wasn't a custom shop at that time -- it seems like there were very few one-off instruments. I have seen at least one 12 string A model plus the aforementioned 10- string Loar and the truly oddball post-Loar Lil Pup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    I love this stuff, guys! Thanks a ton, Darryl for filling in all these blanks.

    I wonder what they charged Griffith for this one. Any sales receipts? I am just curious. There really wasn't a custom shop at that time -- it seems like there were very few one-off instruments. I have seen at least one 12 string A model plus the aforementioned 10- string Loar and the truly oddball post-Loar Lil Pup.
    That one truly is unique. I would be looking to see if they possibly used one side of an F5 mold to achieve that. Note that the body is unquestionably shorter than an A from the period, and likely replicates the length and configuration of an F body on the treble bout w/o one point
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    is that two-point mold the same as later two-points? The points certainly look smaller than the Jethro ones, but maybe it's just an illusion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darryl Wolfe View Post
    Here is the only subject that deserves a real Hmmmm.....
    Those F holes are definitely smaller than on the F style, but still look a bit wider than what was used on the Loar mandolas.
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    I have a (somewhat) related question - are there any recordings of this Loar A5 ?
    Would love to hear this instrument. thx - Larry

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    Tone Poems Vol 1 (Grisman and Rice) and Aereoplane (John Hartford) albums have it. Tut Taylor put out a youtube video with it, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djweiss View Post
    Tone Poems Vol 1 (Grisman and Rice)
    anyone have a list of which instruments are on which tracks? (I downloaded this album from iTunes a few years ago; one downside being I don't have any documentation or liner notes...)

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    This thread lists the instruments...Loar A5 on track 9.

    http://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/sh...ms-instruments

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    Quote Originally Posted by djweiss View Post
    Tone Poems Vol 1 (Grisman and Rice) and Aereoplane (John Hartford) albums have it.
    There's a tune of Tut's called "Ruff 'n Ready" on Steam Powered Aereo-Takes that really shows off what that mandolin can do...
    Really nice recording, too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by djweiss View Post
    This thread lists the instruments...Loar A5 on track 9.

    http://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/sh...ms-instruments
    By my calculations, that would be "I Don't Want Your Mandolins Mister"

    Supple. Poppy. Sure sounds nice.

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    There is also an obscure Tut Taylor album with "Griffith Mandolin Society" recorded by Tut on it. It's a very earworming simplistic recording, but fabulous tune. Remeber, Tut is missing some portions of a finger or two, which is likely why he played Dobro in the first place. With that said, he does a mandolin like nobody else.
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    Tut's video:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darryl Wolfe View Post
    There is also an obscure Tut Taylor album with "Griffith Mandolin Society" recorded by Tut on it. It's a very earworming simplistic recording, but fabulous tune. Remeber, Tut is missing some portions of a finger or two, which is likely why he played Dobro in the first place. With that said, he does a mandolin like nobody else.
    pure gold...Thanks Darryl
    Found it herehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B6fLwQjegk
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    Anybody know which mandos are used on the songs on this link? Is Tut playing? Is the A-5 used?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B6fLwQjegk
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    Hi all,

    I think is still broadly on topic. I'm interested to know what the Helmholtz/air chamber frequency of the Loar A5 is. I remember reading in an old thread that it's the same D sharpish frequency as the F5, but was a bit sceptical. As Darryl Wolfe says, "it has substantially more air volume than an F5."

    Has anyone here been intimate enough to hum in its holes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by djweiss View Post
    Tut's video:
    Thank you for posting that. This was the video I was looking for. I remember seeing it a while back and was blown away. There are a couple of 'outtakes' from the short film also:



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    tom.gibson..The A-5 copy I just built,by chance,error or luck pretty much pegs a D# when tapped in front of my strobe tuner when it was in the white..I just finished buffing it out ( my first time power buffing,went better than I expected) and hope to get it strung up this weekend and will post a video..We'll see!
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    I gotta buy more popcorn before I start reading any more! Fascinating information Darryl! And the rest of you too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darryl Wolfe View Post
    Any decent luthier with a snakehead A4 in one hand and a decent straight on shot of the A5 in the other.
    All righty, that does it...

    I'm nowhere near "decent", but it's time to pull the trigger on building a #74003 copy...
    Been wanting to do this for a long time now...

    My friend John Sullivan had massive plans to build a few #74003 copies, and never got the chance...
    I inherited the wood that he had picked out, and it matches the original very nicely...
    Red Spruce top, and a nice hard maple back...
    All glued up and ready to roll, so John was pretty close to getting to these...
    Oh well...






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    I don't remember where this wood came from, Bruce, but it might be destined for some mind of "copy" eventually.Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spruce View Post
    All righty, that does it...

    I'm nowhere near "decent", but it's time to pull the trigger on building a #74003 copy...
    Been wanting to do this for a long time now...

    My friend John Sullivan had massive plans to build a few #74003 copies, and never got the chance...
    I inherited the wood that he had picked out, and it matches the original very nicely...
    Red Spruce top, and a nice hard maple back...
    All glued up and ready to roll, so John was pretty close to getting to these...
    Oh well...
    So, Bruce, are you going to make the mandolin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    So, Bruce, are you going to make the mandolin?
    He's been threatening to as long as I've known him...

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    This will be a tough build as he is the king of distressing instruments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    So, Bruce, are you going to make the mandolin?
    As we speak...

    Quote Originally Posted by sunburst View Post
    He's been threatening to as long as I've known him...


    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    This will be a tough build as he is the king of distressing instruments.
    Hey, the last time I saw #74003 it was getting pretty hammered...
    Lots of new wear and tear...
    That will be the easy part...

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