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    Default Odd snakehead logo

    Dude selling a 1924 snakehead on Craig's List sent me this photo. A straight-across script logo like this one appears on some Gibson mandolins from around 1927, but usually not 1924. (1927 is too late for a snakehead, at least according to conventional wisdom.) It looks a little off to me in other aspects ... I'm inclined to say it was added later. Your thoughts?
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    Default Re: Odd snakehead logo

    I've seen these stenciled, horizontal logos on snakeheads before... don't know about the date though as our whole thinking regarding dates has shifted. I wouldn't worry about that too much... I'd be more concerned with the intonation on these later snakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glassweb View Post
    I'd be more concerned with the intonation on these later snakes.
    Bob Jones showed me the difference in intonation and how far it was off on a '24 F4 compared to the correct fret location. It was truly off esp in the upper frets.

    As far as the headstock logo: possibly left over parts or more likely a Gibson factory repair job done later? Very curious, tho.
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    What's the serial # of the mando? Can we confirm it's date of mfg.?
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    Default Re: Odd snakehead logo

    SN is 81327 so it's a late one. Unfortunately I don't have the FON.
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    Default Re: Odd snakehead logo

    I don't see the oddity in it. It looks like a A-junior or an AO model. is that what it is?

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    No, it's a blackface with an A2Z-style rosette. Anyhow, an A-jr snakehead wouldn't have a script logo at all. And there's no such thing as a snakehead A0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmando View Post
    No, it's a blackface with an A2Z-style rosette. Anyhow, an A-jr snakehead wouldn't have a script logo at all. And there's no such thing as a snakehead A0.
    I had the exact same model years ago... same stenciled, horizontal logo as well. Played horribly out of tune!

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    Default Re: Odd snakehead logo

    Here is an old thread with Beimborn saying that many later snakeheads (81xxx and up) have this silkscreened, straight-across logo. Even some Juniors have it, evidently. Good enough for me.
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    Default Re: Odd snakehead logo

    The serial # according to Spann puts the mandolin's date of mfg. in 1927. Also according to Gibson's 1926 Catalog P all of the A-style mandolins have "snake heads", but the illustrations of the A & A-0 show no logo on the peghead at all. My guess is yours is a 1927 A-2 with a straight non-slanted PH pearl logo, which isn't that unusual for Gibson. Gibson's 1928 Catalog Q no longer shows the "snake head" design for the A mandos. There was no guitar or mandolin catalog for 1927. Really don't know how accurately the catalogs reflect actual instruments, but that's what they show. I don't think 1927 is that late to still have a "snake head" A-2.
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    Default Re: Odd snakehead logo

    Thanks Paul. According to Spann, the serial number signifies a ship date, not a manufacture date -- but a 1927 ship date would explain the presence of a 1927-style logo. Check the photo -- it's obviously silkscreen, not pearl.

    For most Gibsons in this serial number range, the Archive lists a manufacture date of 1925. I suppose this means the conventional wisdom still holds -- that manufacture of snakeheads ceased in 1925? In that case, it would seem that the ones appearing in the '26 catalog were old stock.
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