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    Andrew they screw onto the end of the shafts and I've checked the tightness of the screws so I think the shafts are different lengths. Having said all that they work well and I'm happy with how they look on this model.
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    Here's the rest of it. Great for Irish/Old Time.
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    I think they need to be different length as the headstock curves. Looks like the space between the headstock and the tuner buttons is the same on all. Most A's have a straight headstock, not curved like this one.
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    Interesting, I suppose Collings might special-order them from Gotoh with different shaft lengths, though I'd find that somewhat surprising. They might have also put a small spacer in the holes in the two end buttons so they don't get pulled in as far by the screws.

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    I looked at photos of Collings headstocks online, and I found several that appear to have different lengths like yours, and several that appear to have shafts of the same length. I've worked on a lot of Collings but I'd never noticed that before. I'm sure either one would work fine on your mando, if that's what you're wondering. Gotohs are better than the Elite or Golden Age tuners, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amowry View Post
    It's odd that the shafts appear to be different lengths, but I'd wager that the end buttons just aren't pressed on all the way. They look like standard Gotoh A-model tuners.
    I didn't even notice that. I wonder if you could take a hair off the middle two shafts with a grinder and still get the buttons on firm but farther down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    I didn't even notice that. I wonder if you could take a hair off the middle two shafts with a grinder and still get the buttons on firm but farther down?
    That's what I was thinking about.
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    Actually its the top and bottom that are longer shafts needed because of the shape of the headstock. Its fine as is. Its just interesting how its designed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Ritchhart View Post
    Actually its the top and bottom that are longer shafts needed because of the shape of the headstock. Its fine as is. Its just interesting how its designed.
    The effect is the same, it's just easier to remove some than to add some and the posts are plenty long. The next time I end up with an A style mandolin family instrument that has any curve to the sides of the headstock I might try this.
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    Agreed. I need a set for my '27 H4. The second D string tuner is nearly impossible to turn at pitch. Feels like you're going to twist the button off. No one seems to be able to solve that one tuner's problem?

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    I need a set of tuning machines. Folks in this thread like Grovers 309s. Do people still have a high opinion of them?
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    I have Gotohs on my Collings, but I prefer the Grover 309s. They are a bit easier to tune and hold tune beautifully. If you want to change the tuner buttons, it's easier to find replacements for Gotohs, though. It's hard to find ebony or black Grover replacement buttons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    I didn't even notice that. I wonder if you could take a hair off the middle two shafts with a grinder and still get the buttons on firm but farther down?
    You may have to also shorten the screw so it doesn't bottom out. Or not.
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    Grover 309's get my vote.

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    Rubner are making a comeback bid in an attempt to fill the gap between 'budget' and 'deluxe' tuners. Recovering from their fire damage, I am informed that they are on track to release their all new worm-under configured tuners this summer.
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    2009 MT2O tuners. I believe they are Gotoh MA40's

    Upon closer inspection the shifts are not the same length. MF40's? On an A model? I'm confused.
    The staggered length shafts are a Gotoh MF40 option that suits the Collings peghead.

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    Default Re: Grover? Gotoh? Schaller? Golden Age Mandolin Tuners?

    Yes, I noticed that the late Paul Hostetter mentioned them on his site. I'm not sure where you can get them, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pops1 View Post
    You may have to also shorten the screw so it doesn't bottom out. Or not.
    Generally the holes go a bit farther but that's not a big deal either. It could be done if need be.
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    Default Re: Grover? Gotoh? Schaller? Golden Age Mandolin Tuners?

    Quote Originally Posted by amowry View Post
    Yes, I noticed that the late Paul Hostetter mentioned them on his site. I'm not sure where you can get them, though.
    From Gotoh direct via their site, with a minimum order requirement.

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