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    Here's Sig. Sortini on the far right in what a guess is an Italian version of the "perp shot".

    And a link to the story of the crime and trial. Seems like Sortini was accused of being one of the button men in the murder of a guy who ratted out another guy for a supposed theft on Via Chiatamone.

    The coincidences between the story of Sortini and Gaetano Vinaccia may have some deeper history.

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    Great stuff, Mick!

    Here's some background in English on the case, including the New York arrest of Erricone and the subsequent assassination of Petrosino:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Alfano

    Connection to the Vinaccia shop is of course open to any and all theorizing...

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    Surely more to come on the Alfano-Sortini-Gaetano V story but in the meanwhile here is an interesting 1876 Pasquale Vinaccia with maple boaty / bulgy back design, beefy neck profile with a pronounced fb radius and slotted headstock.

    Cool looking mandolin.

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    Surely an unusual one. Thanks for posting!

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    An interesting 1900's Giuseppe fu Gaetano label. New address.

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    Muy coolioso, Victor. Thanks. That address is in a dense and sketchy part of Napoli.

    Is there a mandolin that goes with the label?

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    A very nice one, actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic-victor View Post
    A very nice one, actually.
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    Wow, nice mandolin!

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    hello my name is john and im from greece i found this mandolin from my wife can you please tell me if its worth and how much ? thanks in advance john.Click image for larger version. 

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    Hi John. Nice instrument, from the photo that you provided it appears to be in a decent shape. Photo of the back and from the side would help. It is a very basic model though. It is very hard to give estimates without seeing the instrument physically. There are lots of things that can be wrong with a mandolin that affects it's price. A ready to play instrument is one thing and a shipwreck is an entirely different story. Similar madolins have sold for around $200-500 depending on condition. A trouble-free fully playable instrument can bring a bit more.

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    An exceptional 1923 Vinaccia on the Ebay--exceptional for being so reminiscent of the flourished Calace style of the time, but still retaining the tiny carved head from earlier design aesthetics.

    Looks to be in equally good and playable condition. Beautiful maple bowl and scratchplate. Note the holes in the bridge.

    Helpful for me to see the tiny head at the end of the reverse tapered headstock. My (much earlier) Vinaccia is missing the headstock ornament and I have seen few examples that suggest what might have been there with the similar shaped headstock. The joint on this is in the same location as on mine.

    I think it's time to model up one of these heads to replace on mine. A self portrait would be ideal. But, I'm thinking Garibaldi....

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    Hi Mick. Nice instrument and very unusual. Lined with wood shavings in Roman style, Calace-like design and Vinaccia label. Funny these things popped up out of the blue recently. Embergher-like Calace, Calace-like Vinaccia I've seen another Calacesque Vinaccia from the same period though. Here are the pics:
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    Muy coolioso, Víctor. I enjoy the Calace design from the 20s, so no harm in seeing their influence.
    Note the label change between '23 and '29 (and what else was going down in Italy in the interim.)
    Mandolin (and pizza) aficionado Queen Margherita passed in '26.
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    Massive emigration up until after the Facists came to power in '22 then it slowed.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_diaspora

    Wasn't Calace at the peak of his fame in the early '20s & touring Japan etc? Maybe everyone wanted a part of that action?
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    I won a 1989 Fratelli Vinaccia at a bricks and mortar auction, talked about here.

    I picture the mandolin below. I have a question about something I have never seen before, and perhaps I feel very foolish for never seeing it before.

    The tail piece cover does not support itself in position. It is kept in position by running the lowest and highest strings over the "ears" of the tailpiece. At first I thought this was a mistake, or an attempt to hide a problem with the tail piece. But I looked at several pictures of Vinaccias on line everyone with a similar tail piece is held in place this way. Really?!!

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    Nice one Jeff. Love the case too.

    It's really the same with those tortoiseshell string guards too, but they're separate from the structure and mostly seem to be missing by the time we get to buy them nowadays. The actual anchor for the tailpiece is the screw fittings, but the arm-guard is hooked under the outer courses. I think it's a bit like an anti-snag feature for cuffs & this one is a combined one rather than the separate add-on. When you play with the arm in-line with the strings, mandolin held high, some sort of cover can be important, less so if you come in from above & use a strap.
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    As Beanzy says, that's the normal mode of fitting the sleeve guard to a bowl.

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    Latest known Vinaccia so far, from 1943, have been spotted in Italy !!!

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    1943, Victor? Wow. That is super interesting. During the war years....?
    Very Calace-ian with the round sound hole, 'Australia' inlaid stratchplate and headstock.
    Thanks for posting!
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    Yes, and the same style as another one from 1940 which I thought was the very latest.

    Here is another, the most unusual one, from Gaetano Vinaccia, from 1901
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