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    Always been one of my favorite waltzes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUKVUE8XhI

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    Excellent, Rene. Thanks for posting that!!
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    Sweet. Check out Rene on "Volare". I don't sound that good in the shower! (But I have an awesome harmony singer.)

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    I've been meaning to record Speranze Perdute complete with the second mandolin part from the 1920s Paolilli arrangement for some time, but have only just got around to it -- I had previously attempted several recordings on solo mandolin, but it's hard to stay in time on this tune without a backing rhythm.

    This has the first mandolin part on the Ceccherini (which I find has the most suitable tone for these ballo liscio tunes), the second mandolin part on the Embergher and a strummed tenor guitar rhythm. Speed seems very variable on this tune, and the accordion versions tend to be very fast indeed (see Rene's version earlier in this thread). My version is a bit slower, at precisely the tempo given in Sheri Mignano's book: she has marked the tune moderato and gives a metronome count of 136bpm. I think that works pretty well.

    The images used for the video are a collage of pictures associated in some form with the title -- I have kept this deliberately serendipitous and have shied away from the overly obvious allegories which come up when searching for "Lost Hope".



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    Just a note as I've been doing some research on Morelli, and he was born near Naples in 1875 and died in 1918.
    Whatever copyright dates you're reading are of much later editions. He wrote a few other songs with words as well but SP arrived on American shores along with quite a few million Southern Italians c1900. It's considered public domain sheet music and although there are some arrangements out there including the French Espoirs Perdus. I don't have a date for publication in Italy but I'm sure it was ca 1900. Enrico Ricci is wrongly given credit As composer on one copy I have; in all likelihood he was an arranger. Antonio Grauso published it in 1909 but it may be M.V. Cardilli who was the first American publisher. Either way both published it long before Paolilli and others. The Ellis Island folk band out of the San Francisco East Bay performed from the Cardilli arrangement. (Bob Black's old group). You won't find a date on this sheet music. It's public domain. That means that the publisher could not be granted a legal copyright; only when an arranger has made a significant contribution to a new arrangement is it possible to gain a copyright status with date of publication.
    Some of you know that I'm trying to get the music out there..in my Drop box. So tonight I went to my Ellis Island book and found it. I'm going to scan my Cardilli copy as I had forgotten I had it. Here it is, and I'll upload to Cardilli in the other Forum Drop Box thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandophile View Post
    Just a note as I've been doing some research on Morelli, and he was born near Naples in 1875 and died in 1918.
    ...... Antonio Grauso published it in 1909 but it may be M.V. Cardilli who was the first American publisher. Either way both published it long before Paolilli and others.
    That's one of the versions I use, for sure!

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    Sadly, I was contacted a few years back by a descendent of Morelli's, possibly his grandson or great-grandson. Unfortunately, I had a hard drive crash and lost his email address.
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    [QUOTE=Martin Jonas;832519]Gus/John,

    "Related trivia: the cover of the recent novel "A Mandolin of Gold" by Michael Frank Tedesco (who has posted here on the Cafe before, so he may well read this) is a sepia photo of an Italian string band photoshopped onto some old sheet music. Looking closer, one sees that it's the Paolilli edition of "Speranze Perdute". Looking even closer, one sees that it's actually the precise same scan as on Jim Garber's web site -- it has the same hand-written guitar chords..."

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    Thanks for noticing the purloined sheet music.

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    Lp vicari posso avere registrazione?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calogero View Post
    Lp vicari posso avere registrazione?
    Giovanni Vicari?
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    Giovanni Vicari?
    A good friend of mine said he has a copy of an LP by Vicari and at one point offered to digitize it. I'll have to check back in with him about that.

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    Mel Bay 2011- Northern Italian and Torino Region Folk Songs, performances by Carlo Alonzo and Clara Ponzoni...sheet music and cd. Speranza Perdute, p. 42, track 8.
    A great resource for this and similar songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brunello97 View Post
    A good friend of mine said he has a copy of an LP by Vicari and at one point offered to digitize it. I'll have to check back in with him about that.
    Our friend Sheri already had digitized the same LP.
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    GV from The Godfather.

    It seems I do have some audio files from Vicari. Calogero's post threw me for a moment.

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