.. it's another point of reference for me .. the outside heel of my hand .. as is the bridge and my wrist ..
.. it's another point of reference for me .. the outside heel of my hand .. as is the bridge and my wrist ..
In the case of flat top guitars or mandolins perhaps they are pickguards. On arch top guitars and mandolins, they are finger rests. That's why they are elevated off the top of the instrument. If an archtop instrument needed a pickguard, it would be stuck to the top like on a flat top. Why fabricate and install something as elaborate and expensive as an elevated finger rest when a sheet of sticky plastic stuck to the top will do just fine??
Len B.
Clearwater, FL
I've taken the finger rest off of two of my arched-top mandolins (one an F5, another an asymmetrical 2-pointer).
Actually, they both came loose.
In the first case (the F5), I was in the middle of a private lesson with Carlo Aonzo when it started buzzing. He spotted the problem. That was the lesson in which he convinced my to fold my fingers under instead of planting, and he strongly suggested that I take the finger rest off and leave it off. Seemed like a good time to get rid of it, and I haven't needed it since.
In the second case, the finger rest shook loose again, and I took it off on the spot. I still have it. It's beautifully executed and follows the treble-side point curves perfectly. But I'm personally much happier having it off the instrument while I'm playing.
Note: Actually, I just realized my avatar shows it pretty prominently (taken by Neil J. Dean, the builder, while still in the shop), except that, from that angle, it doesn't appear to match the point curves as well as it does from other angles.
Doug Hoople
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[QUOTE=journeybear;693872]"Finger rest?" I don't think so. They're pick guards, meant to guard the instrument from potential damage by picks. You might occasionally rest your fingers on a pick guard, but it's there to guard against damage as shown in the pictures - which was not caused by planting one's fingers. QUOTE]
Actually they are called finger rests and there is a school of playing that uses them as part of the technique. I knew a teacher here locally that wouldn't take students until they'd had one installed. I use mine as a kind of guide. The arm rest elevates my elbow and my fingertips brush against against the rest. I no longer rest my wrist behind the bridge.
As for it being a pickguard, well it could be that too. I definitely know some bluegrass players who are part of the "macho chop" school, where they whack it as hard as possible and those folks sometimes contact the top with their picks.
If they were designed as pickguards then, as someone said, they could simply be glued to the top as guitar pickguards are.
I've heard them called both ways. Either way is right to me. Check out this "pickguards" for sale at Janet Davis's store ... http://www.janetdavismusic.com/manpikguards.html
But I do believe more people call them pickguards than finger rests.
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My understanding is that elevated pick guards are designed that way so as to have no effect whatsoever on the vibration of the top aka soundboard. Mine was attached via two pins that slid into holes on the side of the fretboard and attached to the side via a small wood screw into the side on the F-12 and via the famous clamp method (pat'd July 4, 1911) on the vintage A model, thus having negligible contact with the top.
I've really never given a moment of thought to the nomenclature nor intended function until today, nor intend to tomorrow. Seems a rather insignificant concern. Po-tay-to = po-tah-to. But I do hope your finger rests guard against pick damage, and I will occasionally rest my fingers on my pick guard if I ever reinstall it.
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Semantics...Heiden uses the term "finger rest/pickguard" and I've seen similar use elsewhere. For me, finger rest sounds best, more continental!, but to each his own.
To me, it serves as a pickguard. I don't plant. It doesn't serve the same function to everyone.
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The rest / scratch plate was attached using 2 woodscrews that screwed into the fingerboard extension.It didn't rattle & was perfectly stable. I have to say that although the Mandolin is a 'Special build',i always thought that the rest /s.p,could have been a more sympathetic shape to suit the Mandolin's countours, or at least 'edge bound' to give it a more 'defined' shape.
If i were ever be fortunate enough to have a 'custom built' Mandolin,i wouldn't go for a scratch plate,i just love the shape of the instrument as it comes & the grain of the top-woods used.
However - with due deference to Jiri Lebeda,i do feel as though i've 'violated' his instrument by
removing it - having a concience is a terrible thing,but praise the good Lord,most of us do have one,
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[QUOTE=jim_n_virginia;693705]I don't plant fingers anywhere and my pick doesn't touch the top but I play with an open fist as opposed to a closed fist and while I am not conscience of it I guess my ring finger and pinky occasionaly ever so lightly brush the top of the mandolin. I barely touch it but it is enough that after time it leaves smudges and after months in between cleanups it adds up.
I do the exact same thing--
And after many years of this the salts and the acids will eventually eat through the finish and you will hardly notice this slow erosion until maybe years from now you find an old picture of you and your new shiny mandolin and you'll think "My god, look what have I done to this poor mandolin---
I can think of a number of great players that have totally schredded the tops of their mandolins and whatever their doing I wish I could do it too!
I'm not doing anything. It's other people who play it that I'm more concerned about. My mandolins are both in pristine condition because I'm very careful with them. The pickguard/finger rest, or whatever you want to call it, lessens my reservations about letting others take them for a spin. As long as they wear a Snuggie while they play it, I'm okay with letting other people try them out.
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Snuggies and Huggies are required. I don't think I'm being unreasonable.
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I'm getting conflicting advice here. I don't know what to think anymore.
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I think of the pick guard as part of the instrument, not like something added to the instrument.
And my A2 has had the same pickguard on it since 1923, unadjusted, and it never rattles or shakes or loosens up.
But I would never generalize from the specific.
Pick guards are ugly, always remove.
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