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    Martin, thanks for posting ( and reviving this thread ), very cool. I love the bass mandolin and tenor giutar!
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    Martin, thanks for the link; I love "Pkay To Me Gypsy", & it's nice to have access to video of the ensemble.
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    Hi Martin - Many thanks for keeping us abreast of what you've found. It sounds quite fascinating !.To be able to see the original scores for so much music must be exciting in itself - it's solid, visual, musical history,right in front of you.
    Many years ago,i visited the Beethoven Haus,in Bonn,Germany. To actually see the original manuscripts,written by my favourite composer of that age,was an incredibly moving experience,
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    Thanks, Ivan, Charles and Mandosquirrel. I've moved the discussion of the Troise manuscript scores over to the classical forum (Link), where I've posted the list of pieces in two of the boxes (haven't looked through the others yet) and have posted a full scan of one of the pieces.

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    Here's a 1936 Calace on ebay.it with the curious signature "Good Luck, Troise" or what I think reads like that. (Always a mystery with my eyes.) If so, might this be the same Pasqual Troise?

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    Here's a pretty cool arrangement of "In a Persian Market" from the lads:

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    Quote Originally Posted by brunello97 View Post
    Here's a 1936 Calace on ebay.it with the curious signature "Good Luck, Troise" or what I think reads like that. (Always a mystery with my eyes.) If so, might this be the same Pasqual Troise?

    Mick
    Nice find. I would have thought this is the 1930s equivalent of a kid taking his guitar to a Clapton concert to be autographed -- in other words, most likely not an instrument owned by or dedicated to Troise, but rather a fan's mandolin signed by Troise as a memento. He was a BIG star in the UK in the 1930s and 40s.

    Paul: thanks for the "Persian Market" link. We have that piece (I think in Troise's arrangement, although it was retyped a few years ago to aid readability) in our repertoire folder but we haven't played it in living memory. Maybe we should try it at one of our forthcoming rehearsals.

    Speaking of Troise, I thought I had all our boxes of his arrangements when I posted in 2011, but our Band Secretary has recently handed me another three boxes of mixed (very mixed) old sheet music, which contain another few dozen Troise pieces. Haven't catalogued them yet, but I think it may well include the original manuscript to his "Persian Market" arrangement.

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    More on Troise.

    This DeMeglio up for bid on the ebay apparently was owned by a Mr. B. W. Dykes who was a member of the Mandoliers.

    The note looks to be in error, referring to the DeMeglio as a "Style 7". Most likely a Style 1 which was written with a Euro-flourish on the upstroke.

    An interesting bit of mando history.

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    Wasn't sure where to post this, but I guess I might as well follow on from Mick's posting... the mandolin that was for sale on and off for most of last year on eBay eventually ended up in the port of last result: me!

    As Mick says, it's almost certainly a model 1 (I don't think DeMeglio even made a model 7?), and while someone has clearly played the living daylights out of it, it needed only minor repairs (fix a loose brace, replace lots of side banding, and set up with a new compensated bridge). It must have been a much loved instrument as at some point it's acquired a new tailpiece, and new fretboard. Possibly also had a neck reset and headstock repair in the past too.... quite the bionic mandolin:

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    The paperwork is interesting:

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    Note how it was listed in the "bargain" category, even though 8 in 1943 was a considerable sum of money - seems to equate to about 350 in today's money, but during wartime, that would have been well beyond the means of most people.

    I wonder does anyone have a list of the members of Troise's troop?

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    I doubt if there's any 'definitive' listing of the personel,but here's an article giving the names of a few :- http://www.turnipnet.com/mom/troise.htm,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Kelsall View Post
    I doubt if there's any 'definitive' listing of the personel,but here's an article giving the names of a few :- http://www.turnipnet.com/mom/troise.htm,
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    Thanks Ivan, as this one was sold in '43 it actually pre-dates most of the BBC performances - must be more from the music hall era?

    A forgotten time for sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavy View Post
    Thanks Ivan, as this one was sold in '43 it actually pre-dates most of the BBC performances - must be more from the music hall era?

    A forgotten time for sure...
    While "Music While You Work" started only in 1940, the Mandoliers definitely recorded multiple radio sessions for the BBC during the 1930s -- many of the original Troise manuscript arrangements in my possession list the broadcast date on the envelope, with most being between 1935 and 1939.

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    Hello brunello97
    I'm new to the forum and I only found it due to trying to find information about my grandfather.
    The quote below turned up on one of the discussion threads on the Mandolin Cafe forum which is very exciting as I believe the Mr B.W.Dykes that you refer to is may well be my grandfather.
    I don't have much information about him but the fact that he appeared to be the one-time owner of this mandolin does tie in with stuff I know about him being a musician of about this period and also approximately where he lived (the Ilford area I think).

    What happened to this mandolin? Do you still have it? I don't suppose you might be able to direct me to any list of musicians that formed Troise and His Mandoliers at about the time that my apparent grandfather owned this mandolin?

    Any information you might have would be so gratefully received
    Many thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by brunello97 View Post
    More on Troise.

    This DeMeglio up for bid on the ebay apparently was owned by a Mr. B. W. Dykes who was a member of the Mandoliers.

    The note looks to be in error, referring to the DeMeglio as a "Style 7". Most likely a Style 1 which was written with a Euro-flourish on the upstroke.

    An interesting bit of mando history.

    Mick

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew1281 View Post
    What happened to this mandolin? Do you still have it?
    I owned and restored it for a short time - now long since sold I'm afraid - and I have no information other that what I posted above... I was sort of hoping a family member (hint hint!) would surface and help us out

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    Hi Mike , Its been a long time since I last contacted this forum .
    My father joined Troise around 1931/2 he played the bassmando , but had also be able to play the mandolin, I can confirm that Mr Dykes was a member of the Manodliers according to conversations I had with my father around 1948-1954.
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    I have just discovered my great grandad was in Troise and his mandoliers. His name was Charles Harlin and my dad recognised him in one of the photos. My dad also just pulled out the very same mandolin and banjo! Can anyone tell me if the name Charles/Charlie Harlin has popped up anywhere else? I'd love to find out more.
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    My great grandad was also in Troise and his mandoliers. His name was Charles/Charlie Harlin.

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    Hi Paula. My Greatgrandfather was also Charles Harlin!! Is your sister Jenny and parents Pam & John?? I also have one if his mandolins ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kydawson View Post
    Hi Paula. My Greatgrandfather was also Charles Harlin!! Is your sister Jenny and parents Pam & John?? I also have one if his mandolins ...
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    Can you post a picture of the mandolin you have?
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    Having trouble with that but it says on the label L Romito & F Carbone. ? Allievi di de Meglio. Strumenti a corde. Napoli Vico Tofa. Mod 1(A) [I think] No 1?62 Anno1899. I'll see if I can send one though. In original Black case with some plectrums & strings in boxes!

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    Hello, Kydawson....

    I am super interested in seeing your mandolin, and if possible a photo of the label. I am attaching a couple label images from Romito e Carbone, from later years when they were at a different address from the Vico Tofa one you have.

    They certainly worked in the DeMeglio style. You probably know this but "allievi" would mean "students" or more poetically "disciples" of DeMeglio. Allevare being the Italian verb for "bringing up" or "raising".

    Romito e Carbone also broke away with their own invention, including this one with the very strange sound enhancing / chastity belt device and extra curioso f-holes below the cant in the top.

    Perhaps the metal device was an aftermarket addition?

    Really looking forward to seeing yours from potentially right after they left DeMeglio.

    If you have further trouble posting images please let me or Mike know and we can walk you through it.

    Thanks in advance.

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