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    I finally found my Ceccherini on this thread—it is easier than finding the actual mandolin, but, in any case, it saves uploading the same pics again.

    In any case, it looks like someone bollixed up the bridge which is why it just sits there unplayed. What a shame! Especially now since I must travel to see Mick so we can play Ceccherini duets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    I finally found my Ceccherini on this thread—it is easier than finding the actual mandolin.....
    Now that's funny, Jim.

    Your UC is ever more refined and detailed than the modest one I just acquired (pictures forthcoming). Don't know whether mine is an early model, junior model or practice model for Umberto, Junior.

    I do need to change out the bridge (as it is a decent replacement) to something more in the line of the string-separator-with-bone / brass bearing. Getting deft at making one of these myself wouldn't be the worst thing for me.

    The string spacer / zero fret at the nut is of one piece, which is a nice bit of fussy work from the UC folks, which may not be for the better. My hunch is that the two piece setup, like on yours, allows for more careful profiling of each component in the assembly.

    Very nice sounding mandolin, nonetheless.

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    I'm a bit surprised that this LE from 1888 hasn't shown up here (or maybe it has previously.)

    Pretty interesting for me to see the proto-bowl profile and how clunky it is, given the gracefulness of LE's mature work. Of course, there's the wooden tuning pegs.

    The early label is also muy coolioso, I think. A pity that there is so much reflection from the camera flash.

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    1779 Johannes Vinaccia Mandolone

    I especially like the music sheets attached to the back of the bowl. I wonder what piece that is. Mght have to try playing what I can see of it.

    MANDOLONE VINACCIA 1779 - restored by Blanchi in 1896 as for 2 internal signature (see the photos)
    The back is of course original Vinaccia as for some decoration of the top
    Very rare and important instrument
    Size: Total Length 115 cm - String Length - 78 cm
    I am selling it as I found, not stringed; probably Mandolone strings could be used in this instrument
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    I'm not conversant in how to post but I wanted to ask the community if they have any knowledge about a mandolin my grandfather left me a while back. I will try to add pictures of it. I do not know much about mandolins so any help is appreciated.

    The inside label says "A. Galiano" and "Chitarre e Mandolini". My grandfather brought it with him from New York when he moved to Los Angeles.

    Thanks.

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    Some discussion on Galiano on this old thread.

    BTW this is not a bowlback mandolin but we can answer your questions nonetheless. Galiano was likely a distributor. That mandolin almost looks like an oval hole version that could have been made by the same company that made Strad-0-Lin mandolins, decent budget-priced instruments. Galiano was located in New York.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    Some discussion on Galiano on this old thread.

    BTW this is not a bowlback mandolin but we can answer your questions nonetheless. Galiano was likely a distributor. That mandolin almost looks like an oval hole version that could have been made by the same company that made Strad-0-Lin mandolins, decent budget-priced instruments. Galiano was located in New York.
    Dear Jim Garber,

    My friend Eric Renshaw suggested that you are the authority on early mandolins... I have a "milanese/lombardic" mandolin (bought from Pagano's music shop in Edinburgh some 40 years ago) . It has no makers sign or label, and two unusual features
    A - peghead has a violin-type scroll rather than the usual "square block"
    B - a double-layer body, with dark (rosewood?) ribs in the usual "head-to-tail" direction, and a lining of light (spruce?) wood strips in a left-to-right direction.

    Any suggestions on possible makers? I could send you some photographs if that would be useful.

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    New on the Cafe classifieds today is this Antonio Grauso mandolin:

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    It's a new name to me, and a nice looking instrument. Have we seen anything else by this maker? Apparently he was an immigrant from Naples working in NYC in the early 20th century.

    The ad links to a video by the owner (an infrequent poster here), where the playing and the instrument both sound very good.

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    Grauso also lists on his labels as a disciple of Luigi Ricca. Grauso mandolins are generally nice instruments.
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    Here is an example of a label from AG where "Naples / New York" is noted. This is the one I'm most familiar with.

    For no verifiable reason, I had AG down as an importer / dealer rather than a maker...but if as Jim suggests he was working with Ricca that would change that. Do you have a label image, Jim, where he cites Ricca? That would be cool to see.

    From one of Sheri Mignano's compilations I also have note of him as a "publisher".

    I don't have her book handy so hopefully she might see this thread and weigh in on what she knows about AG.

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    Here is a better version of the label you show, Mick. and the next one has "disciples of L. Ricca" with the date of 1895 so that might be used on only the earliest examples.

    Grauso does say that his shop are makers but i think we have seen that bending of the truth on other distributors. OTOH I think the disciples notation might mean something. I assume it was a way to get some street cred for AG as a maker. Ricca obviously trained a few others.

    Biggio was another maker who even copied the style of the Luigi Ricca's labels and called himself the "first disciple." (see attached).
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    Here is one of the fanciest Antonio Grauso mandolins I have seen. It was sold by Lark Street Music about 12 years ago or so.Click image for larger version. 

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    Yes, Grauso worked for and with Ricca before he opened his own shop on Grand. My Grauso says Napoles and New York.
    He went back to Naples a few times as his business grew. "Guitar Heroes" inspired my book and the Ricca-Grauso connection
    is in it. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a3fpy2nnk...G89Zac0Da?dl=0 you can download the book.
    Grauso's brother was also a luthier but apparently had a separate shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    Here is a better version of the label you show, Mick. and the next one has "disciples of L. Ricca" with the date of 1895 so that might be used on only the earliest examples.

    Grauso does say that his shop are makers but i think we have seen that bending of the truth on other distributors. OTOH I think the disciples notation might mean something. I assume it was a way to get some street cred for AG as a maker. Ricca obviously trained a few others.

    Biggio was another maker who even copied the style of the Luigi Ricca's labels and called himself the "first disciple." (see attached).
    That's a great photo, Jim, but actually of a slightly different label design.

    I love the use of "disciple". A lot deeper than the more common "allievo".

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    That's a great photo, Jim, but actually of a slightly different label design.

    I love the use of "disciple". A lot deeper than the more common "allievo".

    Mick
    Yes, you are correct, that is a different label with some illustrated ribbons. I don't have any examples of that label in my files.
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    Modern Embergher 5bis copy by Dietrich at Bernunzio. I am unfamiliar with this German Shop.

    Looks like this is the page on their website showing mandolins.

    Here are pics from Bernunzio's site.
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    I did not know that they also made Embergher copy mandolins. Here's a picture from the instruments exhibition at the Eurofestival in Bruchsal, Germany 2018.

    This is another one showing a flyer on the table with an Embergher style mandolin head...
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    That looks like an outstandingly beautiful divorce!

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    There's an Embergher in Germany for sale right now:

    https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...45466-74-19761

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valbert View Post
    There's an Embergher in Germany for sale right now:

    https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...45466-74-19761
    1927 Tipo B student model. Price is reasonable and it looks like it is in decent shape though is almost looks a bit too shiny especially on the bowl. It could have been refinished or oversprayed. From what I can tell though you have to pick it up locally in Germany.
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    Yep, it says that it has been restored, including a new bridge and a fret dressing. If I had the money and the time right now, I'd travel there and get it. Not too far away from Austria...

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    I've had my eye on this Rafaele Tieri for a long time on Lowell Levenger's site. I've always been reluctant to purchase it because it has some cracked ribs. However after playing it during an approval period I was convinced it was the bowl back for me. Beautiful tone, workmanship and the cracked ribs are very stable (they actually help me keep it upright on my lap when I play it). It did not come with a case, and it has been difficult finding anything that fits. It's 9" at its widest and all cases so far are 8". Any ideas? It deserves a good case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Foss View Post
    I've had my eye on this Rafaele Tieri for a long time on Lowell Levenger's site. I've always been reluctant to purchase it because it has some cracked ribs. However after playing it during an approval period I was convinced it was the bowl back for me. Beautiful tone, workmanship and the cracked ribs are very stable (they actually help me keep it upright on my lap when I play it). It did not come with a case, and it has been difficult finding anything that fits. It's 9" at its widest and all cases so far are 8". Any ideas? It deserves a good case.

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    That is very cool, Bill. I remember that one and probably also avoided it because of the ribs. It looks like someone say on it.

    Let me think on the case possibilities.
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    I've made a post about this in a different section of the forum, but I decided to take my chances here as well:

    I bought a used Suzuki bowlback last week from a guy that claims he got it as a gift but doesn't play it. It looks quite new and hardly played and to my amateur ears sounds and plays quite well. All in all I'm very happy with my purchase, but I am wondering about the instruments background.

    The model is Suzuki MR-300 and for the life of me, I can't find any information about it online. Do any of you know anything more (when it could have been built, which kind of wood, ...?).

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