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    Quote Originally Posted by brunello97 View Post
    Pedro, I must have been truly tra veglia e sonno when I posted that Calzado mandolin last week. Sorry for that. Usually, I'll plug in the ebay listing.
    This was on ebay.fr and looks like it has ended.

    Some nice photos in the ad but no good view of the neck.

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    Thanx Mick, I was searching "Calzado" while the listing title says "Galzado"....no wonder I could not find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter K View Post
    Thanx Mick, I was searching "Calzado" while the listing title says "Galzado"....no wonder I could not find it.
    Yes, a typo from the seller, I guess. An interesting name. Calzado implying "footwear" in Spanish.
    A calzolaio is a shoemaker in "official" Italian. With Neapolitan all bets are off.
    #6980 (or whatever) implies that he made a few.
    Maybe they all wound up in France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brunello97 View Post
    Yes, a typo from the seller, I guess. An interesting name. Calzado implying "footwear" in Spanish.
    A calzolaio is a shoemaker in "official" Italian. With Neapolitan all bets are off.
    #6980 (or whatever) implies that he made a few.
    Maybe they all wound up in France.

    Mick
    The typo could have been worse, if the seller wrote the luthier's name as "Cazzado", or hitting the genuine Neapolitan expression of bonhomie and affection with misspelling "Cazzato".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter K View Post
    The typo could have been worse, if the seller wrote the luthier's name as "Cazzado", or hitting the genuine Neapolitan expression of bonhomie and affection with misspelling "Cazzato".
    Now that's funny.

    My wife and I were visiting the lovely little town of Todi some years ago and being a fan of Greek-cross church plans I led us off in search of the local landmark.
    I asked a trio of nonnas where we might find the church of "Santa Maria della Colazione".
    They were weeping with laughter, but pointed us in the right direction.
    We enjoyed a light lunch afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brunello97 View Post
    Now that's funny.

    My wife and I were visiting the lovely little town of Todi some years ago and being a fan of Greek-cross church plans I led us off in search of the local landmark.
    I asked a trio of nonnas where we might find the church of "Santa Maria della Colazione".
    They were weeping with laughter, but pointed us in the right direction.
    We enjoyed a light lunch afterwards.

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    That's a good one. There is much levity and mirth to be had with comparative linguistics, be it inadvertently or with design.

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    It's been a while since I've posted here... just finished off this Ceccherini, I think this one will stay with me for a while. Interestingly they all seem to be numbered in the 2000 and something range...

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    Lovely Ceccherini you got there but has anyone heard about the other Ceccherini
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    How interesting.... no I hadn't come across those before!

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    A mandolin by G. Ceccherini of Roma, definitely of the Roman style with similar neck and headstock to Embergher. The label is interesting. Seems to say that he is successor to Ducci and Associates and most of the label seems to tout that they sell pianos.

    The only other one of this maker I can fine was sold by Bonhams in 2009 and it the one in the middle of this lot of three mandolins. The description reads:

    A Mandolin Labelled G. Ceccherini E.C successori Ducci E Soci casa Succursale G 247 Via Nazionale 248 Roma Gran Deposito Di Piano Forti Di Fabbriche Nazionali..... with pear shaped back, with extended fingerboard over sound hole, and colourful decoration depicting a face with brass instruments and foliage, restorations
    A little further searching: I surmise that this is primarily a piano dealer (so was Ducci & Associates) and possibly this mandolin was made for this shop by one of the Roman makers.
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    247 Via Nazionale today. Or last August to be exact.
    Probably not a lot of people walking around there right now.

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    Interesting! The label lists agents in Germany, plus a London agent Collard and Collard, but the Internet seems to know them purely as piano dealers. So probably a pretty marginal mandolin operation. Nice instrument though, Cando, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavy View Post
    Interestingly they all seem to be numbered in the 2000 and something range...
    Right John. Mine is no. 2002, on the Italian language label. I thought we had had somewhere a thread on Ceccherini labels and numbers, but can't find it now.

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    Super cool Roman C. and Tavy's one is very nice, too, with fretboard extension, which is rare for a C. Is there a double top?

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    > Is there a double top?

    Yup.

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    This mandolin deserves to be be in this historic thread.

    In the classifieds now an Embergher N.5 and also on Reverb.

    I am a bit surprised that this is described as being restored. I am sure that the bowl is structurally sound now, but, sorry, I would not call it restored. It is quite possible that this was a real basket case in which case I would say the repairs were done the best as possible.

    I have a 1904 N3 which also had some pretty bad repairs (for instance, wood putty on the fluted bowl) done on it in its long life but I spend a fair amount of money on it and had it completely restored. I know a skilled luthier would charge a lot of money to get something like this like it was when it came from Luigi's shop, so I assume that the owner decided to opt for playabiity. Certainly understandable.
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    Fluted rosewood bowl Embergher. Very nice, Jim.

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    Here's a nice looking Silvestri mandolin - are they any good?

    https://www.willhaben.at/iad/kaufen-...920-382619254/

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    Fluted rosewood bowl Embergher. Very nice, Jim.

    Mick
    I'm thinking it's actually curly maple, with a dark stain. Lots of chatoyance and curl that seems unusual for rosewood. But old eyes and laptop screens, you know . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob A View Post
    I'm thinking it's actually curly maple, with a dark stain. Lots of chatoyance and curl that seems unusual for rosewood. But old eyes and laptop screens, you know . . .
    You could be very right, Bob, on second look.

    I've got a new monitor and am wearing my glasses now....

    If that is indeed such figured maple, a pity to stain it.

    Maybe we could entice Jim to post a few more photos of his rosewood back LE just for comparison.

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    Another of Carlo Alabiso's mandolins has turned up on the ebay.
    This one has a less ornate headstock / tuner ensemble but appears to feature all the fascinating tuning components as the one Marc posted in this thread a few years back.
    Figured I'd move this one over to this thread and link back to Marc's earlier one.
    I'm including a number of images for posteriority as this is a fascinating set of inventions.
    Makes me wonder if he hacked existing DeMeglios rather than reproducing them simply to overhaul.
    Certainly were enough of them around.
    A pity the neck is so out of whack. But maybe playing Hawaiian mandolin with a slide might be appropriate just the same.

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    This just showed up on Elderly's website and in our classifieds. Larson-made Stahl bowlback. It is sold as-is: needs neck reset and set up. With original leather "clown-shoe" case.

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    Here's a very fancy model built by the Larson Bros. in Chicago for Stahl, bent spruce top with oval soundhole, (some deformity on top by soundhole), abalone and wood marquetry top purfling and rosette, Brazilian rosewood skirt and 39 ribs, mahogany neck joins body at the tenth fret, 21 frets, pearl and abalone fingerboard, ivoroid-bound top, fretboard, soundhole and headstock, headstock features pearl floral inlays, inset tortoise plastic pickguard with floral inlays, engraved clamshell tailpiece, inset tuners with engraved cover, ~13-1/4" scale, 1-1/8" nut, ~7-1/2" top width (at widest point), interior label reads "Wm. C. Stahl / MANUFACTURER / Milwaukee, Wisconsin", with rough end-loading "Bullshead" leather OSSC, VGC+ except needs (neck reset, restring and setup, etc. - sold AS-IS
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    Hello, I have an old 1913 Bowl back by Vega, the # is stamped on top of the Peg head #30451, It has many Brazilian ribs, Can anyone tell me what model this is and what its worth and a fair asking price is? The neck is straight and all finish is original and in perfect condition-no cracks or separations at all! Its a higher end model I believe but I'm not into these and would like some opinions please? I couldn't find how to start a new thread for some reason? It has the original canvass case! This is a time capsule and maybe never used! It's of no use to me even though its awesome and super clean! Thanks for any help!

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    Sorry but just out of surgery and don’t yet feel like starting up the computer. It looks a lot like my style 3 posted in this thread. It is either a 3 or a 2. Will send more info when I have more energy and less pain.
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    Post #9 has a photo of my Vega style 3. I have a catalog with pics but I think yours is a style 2.
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    Thanks Jim but can't find your photo, feel better and let me know when you have the time I just don't want to post to cheap of price as I know nothing about these! The clamshell tailpiece cover is engraved as well as a bit on the end of the base? It has the original harder canvas case also.

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