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    Default What's this? 0-3-2-0

    Since picking up mandolin and spending time at the Mandolin Cafe, I've become accustomed to this shorthand way of communicating mandolin chords:

    0-2-3-0

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    Is this same type of shorthand used on other instrument sites? I'd never used it in many years of guitar playing. Anyway, I'm curious, is there a name for this kind of shorthand, and if so, what is it called?

    May seem a silly question, but it's important to me. If there is no name for this type of "chord notation" I'm going to give it a name like "Cafe Shorthand" ...

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    Don’t know what it’s called Mark, but I found it really useful when learning to visualise doublestops for a geographical perspective of the fretboard. It may be useful to mathematics types and spatial orientation types.

    eg. 2,3 3,5 5,7 7,8 etc. for Gmajor doublestops on the first and second strings. Meaning: B,g c,a d,b e,c

    Meaning: G (on first string) plus it’s third, A plus it’s minor third, B plus it’s minor third, C plus it’s third...

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    If you're looking for the name of the chord produced by 0-3-2-0, with the first 0 being your open G string, it is a G13 chord.
    A 13th is a jazzed up 7th chord.
    It's composed of a 7th chord with an added 6th, and is commonly used in jazz. Chopin liked it also.

    0-3-2-0 gives you the notes G-F-B-E. The G, B, and F makes G7, and the E gives you the 13th.

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    Nope, not what I’m looking for. But thanks, Bob.
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    I think Mark is looking for a term like "chord notation" or "chord shorthand", but one that is widely accepted to describe such chord representation as 0-2-3-0 or 0-0-2-3 or 2-4-5-x. It'd be good if it included the idea of bass to treble('cause I don't want to unwind it).
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    Here is a web site that refers to it as “short notation”. I have no idea if that is the proper term or not.

    http://www.guitar-chord.org/how-to-r...-notation.html

    I remember a Mike Marshall workshop where he was using this technique. Someone in the crowd said he used to play a game where you try to name the mandolin chord corresponding to the last four digits of a phone number. Mike was good at it!
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    I used that shorthand chord notation when I took lessons with Roy Smeck in chord melody arrangements. Makes it easy to play up the neck. It is a form of tablature.
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    The jazz guitar guys use this method over on their forum.
    Jazzers have a big interest in chords of course.

    I've never seen it named.

    This method and the fact that I tend to see all fretboards as patterns of scale degrees
    rather than pitch names (am only poorly educated musically) makes me think of this as
    "fretboard tablature."

    There is probably a better name possible, so I'll "wait & see."

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    It's basically just tab, but written horizontally instead of how it really should be vertically.
    Perpendicular tab? Chord tab?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    I used that shorthand chord notation when I took lessons with Roy Smeck in chord melody arrangements. Makes it easy to play up the neck. It is a form of tablature.
    How about "Fretbboard Shorthand" ?

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    I like it. I find it intuitively obvious, easy to read and type, and less puzzling than tab. (Those of you who have grown comfortable with tab, good on ya; I have to puzzle it out most of the time.) I'll grant that I never encountered it before coming here, but I got it right away. I haven't seen it elsewhere, but then I never look elsewhere, so ...


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Coronado View Post
    Here is a web site that refers to it as “short notation”. I have no idea if that is the proper term or not.

    http://www.guitar-chord.org/how-to-r...-notation.html
    Interesting the author never comes right out and says, "It's called 'short notation,'" nor explains the term - just jumps right in, as if assuming the reader is familiar with it. It's a little confusing. At one point he says, "So why use short notation and make people?" I don't think that's how people are made. Maybe he's confused ...
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    Sorry, I completely missed Peter Coronodao's post!

    Time for me to 'tighten up.'

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    How about calling it a "Grid-free chord diagram"?
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    Maybe "string-fret shorthand"? It's not really a diagram and it really only makes sense for chords. Interesting that it is so easy to use and understand but it's sort of difficult to name effectively

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    What’s in a name? That which we call notation
    By any other name would sound as sweet;
    So a chord diagram would, were it not a chord diagram call’d,
    Retain that dear shorthand which it owes
    Without that title. Notation, doff thy name;
    And for that name, which is no part of nothing,
    Take all thus bespoke.
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    Well, cool. Thanks for all the observations and info. It is indeed like tablature turned 90 degrees …

    I’m going to add it to my chord charts. I need a short label, and after reading the responses, I think I’ll be comfortable labeling it “cafe shorthand” or maybe simply “tab shorthand”

    I just need a fairly terse label, not an explanation, for each chart. An explanation will be given on the map page … a “how to read my charts” page.
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    I vote for Gunter Chord Diagrams!

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    There seem to be two variants of this chord notation. The common part of the notation is the assumption that the four numbers refer to the four strings in standard order of string name (GDAE). An early variation was described in Gluckert's chord book (1901 or 1911) where he uses the numbers to recommend the finger to use. The other is to refer to the frets. This is frequently given here in forums. So it would make sense to name it fret chord notation or something similarly descriptive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thumbknuckle View Post
    How about "Fretbboard Shorthand" ?
    That’s too hard to say and spell
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    Quote Originally Posted by thumbknuckle View Post
    This method and the fact that I tend to see all fretboards as patterns of scale degrees
    rather than pitch names (am only poorly educated musically) makes me think of this as
    "fretboard tablature."
    "Frablature"?
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    I believe that is called "chordascii" after the famous russian balalaikaist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electric bassist View Post
    ... it would make sense to name it fret chord notation or something similarly descriptive.
    I was thinking of something using the term "fingering," but this post convinced me to abandon that. This notation does not specify which finger goes where, only the placement of a finger at specified points. That is, the 0230 C can be played with the first and second, second and third, or third and fourth fingers, depending on any number of factors. For instance, deep into a set or gig, from time to time, I may give some overworked fingertips a rest and use others, not the customary ones. Or there may be a reason to choose fingers depending on what's next (or just past) in a progression.

    Perhaps "fret notation?" I'm drawn to simple terms, and two words are better than three.
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    Hmm, perhaps a label of E X to indicate economic expression, like so:

    Ex: ​0-2-3-0

    or F R as an abbreviation of Frablature

    Fr:
    ​0-0-2-3
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    I like the fret notation suggestion.

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