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    Finally got my membership and started digging around in there website. Any suggestions on where to start? There is a lot of material in there. Thanks!
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    Ok, I started in on an article about wet inlay. My question is why, why do that on the instrument, why not do it on a sacrificial piece then transfer over the completed dried piece to the actual instrument?
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    A bunch of stuff with four strings

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    I ask because some of the materials used in the inlay are much harder to sand and level so do it separate and when it’s ready inlay as usual as with a solid piece.
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    No idea what you are talking about.

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    The man would use turquoise bits and do inlay with it. But they were very small and needed to be level sanded which was apparently difficult because of how hard it was compared to the instrument wood. So my thought was, for instance a rosette, why risk the damage to the instrument when you could lay out a rosette and build it off the instrument in like a small mold and do all the difficult sanding there then instal it on the instrument.
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    Does GAL stand for the Guid of American Luthiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Bertotti View Post
    The man would use turquoise bits and do inlay with it. But they were very small and needed to be level sanded which was apparently difficult because of how hard it was compared to the instrument wood. So my thought was, for instance a rosette, why risk the damage to the instrument when you could lay out a rosette and build it off the instrument in like a small mold and do all the difficult sanding there then instal it on the instrument.
    That's pretty much how classical guitar rosettes are made - a slice from a pre-made marquetry pattern. of course some final scraping is still required to get it level with the soundboard, and they rarely use materials other than wood.
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    Just in case I wasn’t clear I am not trying to say this isn’t a valid technique. I just like understanding why someone would choose one technique over another. If I can understand the reasons why the technique becomes more valid for me. I have never tried this technique and find it interesting but need to understand the why beyond choosing this way of doing it over another. I have very little experience with inlay other than cutting some wood pieces and putting them in a area I cut out them sanded it flat. That’s the extent of my understanding and experience. Turquoise is my favorite stone and I want to understand the why so I can pick the best possible way to use.
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    It has been brought to my attention that other materials are as hard as well, shells and other traditional inlay material. So it isn’t anything new to have to deal with trying to level a hard material with the wood. I have only ever used different woods to inlay. Seems I have a lot more to consider.
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    Turquoise is a lot harder than shell. When I've used real stone (vs reconstituted stone, which is stone dust in a resin binder, so it sands nicely), the best approach I found was actually to build the inlay in a pocket that is too deep for the inlay, then either press the stone bits flush and flood with CA, or to build the inlay in the pocket and flip it upside-down with epoxy filler. The inlays float to the bottom due to density, and end up being more or less flush with the wood. Some of those stones can only really by cut with diamonds. The heat created requires it to be done really slowly, or you'll soften the filler and throw the inlay. That happens quite easily.

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    [QUOTE=Dusepo;1872903]Does GAL stand for the Guid of American Luthiers?


    Yes. Their URL is luth.org. A member in the UK would pay $78US per year. It's a good deal even if all you do is consider it to be the price of a magazine subscription. The organization is a wonderful resource. If I had any money I'd leave it to them.

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    Thanks Marty! I have a few ideas now if I chose to do something like that. I should have started this portion as a separate thread. I was just happy I finally got the subscription. Now Iím saving for some of the big red books. Sorry Dusepo I missed your first sentence, yes you are correct that is GAL
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    My suggestion regarding GAL is to get all of the Big Red Books and read them cover to cover .

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    That is my plan sadly I see two volumes that are sold out.
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    I was thinking of trying to make a channel in some HDPE or UHMW line it wit silver or gold foil then fill it with two part clear epoxy and the turquoise. Hope fly pop it out then sand it flush the goal being it would be clear two part finish over it so I wouldn't need to sand into the stone. Still just a thought but I have some quick cure two part at home.
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    I am excited! I got my first magazine! I’m not leaving my couch for the next couple hours and I like how the supplemental has all the advertisements and I will read that whole thing as well!

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