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    Default Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    Has anyone successfully transitioned from a scooped to unscooped fingerboard?

    I played a scooped fingerboard for 20 years and my new mando is not scooped. I am obviously clicking a lot. If I am conscious of it, I can greatly reduce the clicking. My hope is that I can develop the habit/muscle memory/control to not click the fingerboard. Has anyone else undergone this challenge?

    I realize I can modify my new mando and have it scooped, but I would prefer not to do that.

    It seems like there could be some long term benefit of improved right hand control by sticking with the unscooped.

    Thoughts?

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    Default Re: Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    . Has anyone else undergone this challenge?
    I have not, but I know that I stopped `digging in' and using anything but the slightest edge of a pick when I went with super-thick picks --- mainly the 3.5 mm ultra thick wegens [dawg or other similar pick might also work similarly].

    Having thick nearly immobile pick requires using only the slightest bit to play smooth and even, it improved my tremolo a lot too as it got me closer to `rubbing on the top of the strings' as I've heard it put.

    Good luck. If I can take my terrible guitar right hand and get it to where it's at on mando - you can do this too. Switched back to `normal' picks and find that my technique is improved from working with an ultra thick one.
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    Default Re: Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    Nothing to add here, but after reading the title I just had to click to see how you "unscooped" your 'board!

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    Jus scoop it.

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    Default Re: Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    Well not me. I went from Un-scooped to scooped to still clicking away. I'm contemplating going Bush style and have it cut off...

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    Default Re: Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    There is something visually appealing about the extended fingerboard with the frets installed. It complements the F style mandolin and adds to the overall look. I have learned to reduce the clicking some with careful pick placement but the sweet-sounding spot on my mandolin (F-5G) is right above the extension. It's a form vs. function problem. I am learning to ignore the clicks. Sometimes the clicks sound like a percussive accompaniment to the tune being played. I plan on keeping the stock configuration and learning a tune with some notes on the extension to fully justify it being there.

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    Question Re: Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    My 1 F , just does not have a "Florida" the Gibson Oval A is even shorter..

    As shown previously, inlaying silver wire in the fret slot fills it but is kept flush with the wooden surface..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudmister View Post
    There is something visually appealing about the extended fingerboard with the frets installed. It complements the F style mandolin and adds to the overall look. I have learned to reduce the clicking some with careful pick placement but the sweet-sounding spot on my mandolin (F-5G) is right above the extension. It's a form vs. function problem. I am learning to ignore the clicks. Sometimes the clicks sound like a percussive accompaniment to the tune being played. I plan on keeping the stock configuration and learning a tune with some notes on the extension to fully justify it being there.
    Thanks. This is my line of thinking also. I hear a lot of clicks on Flinner's records, so I guess it OK.

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    Has anyone successfully transitioned from a scooped to unscooped fingerboard?

    I played a scooped fingerboard for 20 years and my new mando is not scooped. I am obviously clicking a lot. If I am conscious of it, I can greatly reduce the clicking. My hope is that I can develop the habit/muscle memory/control to not click the fingerboard. Has anyone else undergone this challenge?

    I realize I can modify my new mando and have it scooped, but I would prefer not to do that.

    It seems like there could be some long term benefit of improved right hand control by sticking with the unscooped.

    Thoughts?
    I would either have it scooped or cut off. That click annoys me to no end.

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    Default Re: Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    Quote Originally Posted by Hudmister View Post
    There is something visually appealing about the extended fingerboard with the frets installed. It complements the F style mandolin and adds to the overall look.
    It was part of the original design as a classical mandolin.

    I've learned, though, that many folks live well without those pesky high range notes!

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    Default Re: Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    life is short, its a simple job to scoop it. don't waste your playing time trying to adjust to a new ,possibly nonergonomic, playing style that might create tension in your body and picking hand, all sorts of aches/pains, and take away your pleasure of the instrument and only induce frustration. scoop it and enjoy your new mandolin. you've been playing for a while so your body is very used to certain ergonomics.

    i actually think a scooped board looks svelte, don't care at all for the faux pas of laying in fake frets-but thats a personal problem of mine.

    enjoy your mandolin to the fullest extent while you can
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    Default Re: Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    in case your new one is an A style

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    Default Re: Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    Ohhhhh! I thought you were talking about the fretboard itself, not the extension — and couldn't understand what that had to do with clicking. Now that I've seen those pictures above, I get it.

    Guess I'll always be a guitar guy. . . .

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    Default Re: Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    Canít listen to Tone Poems without noting the pick clicking anymore. I will probably some day get an F2 or F4 and try leaving it alone for a while, but Iím generally with Mr Bush on this oneÖ

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    I have never really understood how some of the “pros” and accomplished pickers have gone for so long and developed their chops so far and STILL render bleeding ears from all the pick clicks. If you have an instrument with an unscooped Florida and play that at a high level, bashing the board with your pick is as egregious as muffled notes, poorly executing your pull offs or hammer ons, or any other aspect of playing well. If you can’t master playing cleanly with no bashing the board, then either spend more time on your technique, or switch to an instrument that allows for your deficiencies
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    Default Re: Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    Since the Coombe has an unscooped extension, have learned to pick just below it, or angle the pick enough to try to minimize clicking. Also, am using a very thin pick (Tortex .73) which seems to minimize the noise aspect of the click.

    Am definitely not going to scoop. The builder has written elsewhere that the extension over the soundhole contributes to the sound he was trying to acheive. Am convinced it works, as this mandolin now my main player.
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    Default Re: Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    I saw a Gibson 5G one time where the owner had a single fret removed from the extension in his preferred sweet spot. Apparently that gave him sufficient clearance to avoid the clicking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darylcrisp View Post
    life is short, its a simple job to scoop it. don't waste your playing time trying to adjust to a new ,possibly nonergonomic, playing style that might create tension in your body and picking hand, all sorts of aches/pains, and take away your pleasure of the instrument and only induce frustration.
    I hear you but in my experience so far I think it would have the opposite effect. Meaning it would improve one's ergonomics. Also, it seems logical that more control would result in greater efficiency and improves ergonomics.

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    Default Re: Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    Oddly enough my most recent mandolin (The Bluegrass by Glen Dean Cecil) is not scooped and I'm not noticing the clicking that I usually do. I'm happy not to have to scoop it. Here it is shown with a couple of scooped ferns.
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    Default Re: Going from scooped to unscooped fingerboard

    That photo could be a centerfold in a magazine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Buesseler View Post
    That photo could be a centerfold in a magazine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    I hear you but in my experience so far I think it would have the opposite effect. Meaning it would improve one's ergonomics. Also, it seems logical that more control would result in greater efficiency and improves ergonomics.
    my bad, i read your OP quickly-missed the important part "prefer not to scoop it", thought you were wanting to go scooped.
    carry on
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