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    Hi everyone. I’m new here. A search for information on this Brandt mandolin brought me right to mandolin cafe. I had never seen a mandolin with this unique violin scroll head stock and these proprietary design on plate tuners before. Stamping on the tuner plate is J Brandt AUG 23 98. Even broken it’s one of the prettiest bowl back mandolins I’ve seen.

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    I have a deluxe model dated 1899. It needs some work now, but it was a very nice mandolin when it was given to me. I played it for a couple of years before some worry some rib separation developed. It has three labels inside, one says Jos. Brandt - Chicago.

    Are you rebuilding the head stock?

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    I noticed that the neck on mine is painted black. Someone may have worked on this one. (And I'd probably leave the paint off too.)
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    Hi Doug C - that Deluxe model of yours looks to be a real beauty! Yes, I have already started repairing the head stock on this one. I have repaired a few guitar head stocks but with those there is more glue surface area to work with and you can always rout out a couple of small channels and insert hardwood splines. There isn’t much original wood to work with on this mandolin. Fortunately it was a clean break and the two pieces fit right back together like puzzle pieces. I noticed on your instrument that the volute at the heel of the head stock is much more substantial than it is on this one I’m working on. And that could also be the difference in each instrument having a hand carved one piece neck, too. I’ll post more images as I decide how to approach reinforcing the repair. Meanwhile I’m hoping to find out which model it is.

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    I’m definitely not going to paint the headstock. After I get it structurally solid I’ll stick to staining, tinting and blending for a spot finish repair. I don’t think it’s ever a good idea to try and hide a repair, but rather make the wood and finish repair in such a way that it’s neat and well done so you can see a good repair and show it to somebody as a repaired instrument.

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    By the way what is the date of the stamping on the tuner plate of your Brandt? Other mandolin builders of this period used plate mounted tuners but Brandt patented this particular style. It looks like your tuners are the same proprietary design as the one I’m working on.

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    Hereís the label inside the sound hole. Iíll see about getting an image of whatís on the neck block
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    Default Re: A friend acquired this Brandt with a broken headstock

    I have same one....Click image for larger version. 

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    Sure does look to be identical. I can’t make out the binding in your image but does yours have mother of pearl inlay around the top along with the celluloid binding?

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    Hereís a little detail of the binding on this one.Click image for larger version. 

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    Itís got mother of pearl all around the body and around the sound hole in addition to the black and white celluloid. A few pieces are loose here and there and thereís a couple of missing pieces.

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    I think the problem with these and with early Lyon & Healy scrolled headstocks was that they had to rout out so much wood for the tuners it weakened that part of the neck. L&H later thickened the volute ( or whatever you call that area under the nut area) and those mandolins seem better made.
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    Hi Jim thanks for your reply. I agree with you - so much wood was chiseled out of these violin scroll headstocks that most of the strength had to come from that heavy tuner assembly. The way the neck was hand carved, one piece all the way with the angled headstock the grain at the headstock is effectively shorter and more vulnerable to breaking. Itís a very common issue on production guitars made by Gibson and Guild, especially those with one piece mahogany necks. Iíve had a few of those in the shop for the same type of repair. Many contemporary guitar builders use scarf joints on their necks to avoid the weaknesses of end grain at the heel and short grain at the headstock. Not a new technique - classical guitar builders have been doing this for decades. That said I think this Brandt is very pretty and Iíve got to appreciate the artistry and craftsmanship. Canít wait to string it up and play it when the repairs are done. Nothing resonates better than an old broken in instrument!

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    Here are some more pictures of my Brandt mandolin. Enlarge the pictures to see the detail.

    The tuning plate seems to wrap around the wood in this photo. I don't see evidence of routing.

    The binding seems to have just mother of pearl and wood. (no plastic). However there is plastic along the fingerboard. (peeling off near the headstock).

    Mine has two dates. The tuning plate says Aug. 23, 98. And the tailpiece says ... Pat. May 15, 94

    The date of the mandolin itself is probably on the label inside.

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ID:	198924Hi Doug, your tuners have the same patent date as the mandolin Iím working on. And like yours there seems to be a different patent date on the tailpiece, looks like OCT 26 88. As far as your head stock being ďroutedĒ you wonít see any evidence of tool marks until you take the tuner assembly off. Thereís no routing, just rough chisel marks. Knowing the front of the headstock would be concealed Iím guessing they werenít worried about the tool marks. I was able to get a shot of the label on the neck block but I really canít see the model number. The serial number is clear.

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