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    I just had to share this!

    Found this today on a german classifieds website. Everything seems off. It almost looks molten, or as if the builder used a first grader's drawing attemps as a template.

    The onepiece birdseye maple back would be really nice on a well made mandolin though
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    All I can say is WOW! Someone went to a lot of trouble to make that. But why?
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    Nice looking Givson.

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    Mandolin from Bizarro World!

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    Strangely enough the fretboard actually looks professionally done and radiused. Maybe they bought that instead of made it? There is the remote possibility that this mandolin may even play well and sound good. It does show signs that it was played. Maybe you should buy it if not too expensive?
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    I dunno, I kind of like it in a weird, Dali-esque, reverse Craviola sort of way. Maybe if the scroll were real and all the way through. Although the lower point seems like an afterthought.
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    It is crazy! But it's looks like it's been been played a lot, judging from the fret wear. I like to hear it!

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    I have a fondness for weird "stuff" like that. The term that always comes to mind is "It is so bad...... that it is good!".

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    Ah but how does it sound?
    My avatar is of my OldWave Oval A

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    Ok, who buys it?
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    Guys, you crack me up!
    It's settled then. I got to have it! I need it! Gonna contact them first thing tomorrow morning. I'll keep you updated.

    On a slighty different note: Do u think, if it turns out to be total unplayable trash, the back could be salvaged and made into something like a freakish cutaway a-style by askilled luthier? It looks so bulky, kinda like there's more mando than there should be, so maybe there might be enogh wood to work with?

    Cause I really like this piece of maple (optically at least)!

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    Looking at the back....the birdseye looks nice. But when you look close at some of the scratches and the areas around the sides where the finish is gone something doesn't look right. Might well be birdseye but still....make sure.

    Good luck!

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    I am a big fan of odd-looking instruments especially if they sound good. I guess that also reflects my own image of myself: odd-looking but (hopefully) sounds good.
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    You got my vote.

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    Makes you think maybe the builder was blind. Some decent woodworking skills, but a total lack of awareness of visual design.

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    Oh no, it's already gone Stuff like that usually sits in the classifieds forever! Especially if the seller explicitly rules out shipping, which was the case here.
    Guess someone else was attracted by the unconventional lure of this piece of art.

    What a bummer. And I was having the sweetest fantasies of us picking out sweet melodies in the sunset, turning heads.

    But then again it might be one of thoses curios you buy in a hidden antique shop and later back home you accidentally get it wet or feed it after midnight and next thing you know, they are procreating like rabbits and starting an anarchist revolution from your living room...

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    The headstock looks like flop-eared Batman with a port-wine stain. And the body shows symptoms of a miscarriage in the making...
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    Don't be so scornful! It was probably made by some Ossi who dreamed of owning an F-4 and this was his best shot. There was one guy who built a hot air balloon to escape from East Germany, and maybe this guy's "escape" was to make his version of an old Gibson!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickR View Post
    ...and maybe this guy's "escape" was to make his version of an old Gibson!
    Can't rule that out. They had their "version" of the '56 Ford Thunderbird, after all. But a sense of aesthetic beauty does not cost money, and whoever did this could have done better with the means at hand. They made better-looking mandolins in Markneukirchen (and one of them was my first mandolin).
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    Wow, I had not realised that the Trabant was modelled on the Thunderbird!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertram Henze View Post
    The headstock looks like flop-eared Batman with a port-wine stain. And the body shows symptoms of a miscarriage in the making...
    I thought that the headstock had a celluloid TS overlay which may account for the port wine stain. Whoever made it put some though into it just not enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    I thought that the headstock had a celluloid TS overlay which may account for the port wine stain. Whoever made it put some though into it just not enough.
    Yeah, he was like "Now let's make that headstock just like on those american mandolins" and half way through he decided: "Screw that, gonna order some chinese and get stoned"

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    The esthetics experiment is to find someone who has never seen that now-holy design called an F. (From the people I meet who seemingly have never noticed any mandolins, a likely prospect). Show them one and ask for reactions.
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    I'll give the maker points for the rosette!
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    I've been resisting posting here but I keep thinking about this so...
    No criticism intended toward anyone, no finger-pointing, just an observation and a rhetorical question.

    I clicked the thread title expecting to see an F-4, perhaps damaged, perhaps modified, somehow made "ugly". To me, an F-4 is a mandolin made by the Gibson corporation back in the 19-teens and '20s. They also made F-2 mandolins with carved tops and backs, points, scrolls and oval sound holes. (Not to mention earlier "F" mandolins made by Orville Gibson.)

    What makes this one an F-4? Has F-4 come to mean any mandolin with a carved top and back, oval hole, points and scrolls? Is F-4 just a convenient designation to indicate the general style of mandolin? Why not 'F-oval' or something that is less specific than F-4?

    No responses necessary because there really is no answer. As I said, just a rhetorical question from a restless mind I suppose.

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    Collings uses F-O or MF-O, works for me....
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