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    Default Big Mandolin With Banjo Tuning

    Posting just to show off my esoteric creation. Receiving a cool reception from the banjo world. I suspect I may find a similar response from the Mandolin world. I thought it was an interesting Idea?

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    Please check your link. Getting a cannot find error (404).

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    Gold Tone sells something like that they call the banjola
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    https://goldtonemusicgroup.com/goldt...p?cat=banjolas

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    Quote Originally Posted by JEStanek View Post
    Please check your link. Getting a cannot find error (404).

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    Thanks for your interest. Try this one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

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    What is the scale length and what are you tuning it to? I think your big mandolin already has a name.
    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    Default Re: Big Mandolin With Banjo Tuning

    the scale length and what are you tuning it to?

    25.125 inches, I was thinking it would be G an octave lower than the banjo. It is not very "live" in G. I raised the pitch to A and it is better. For G think heavier strings, longer scale, or a lighter build?

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    Might be of interest...

    About how I tune my mandolins

    (Open C tuning)
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    [QUOTE=dhergert;1773961]
    About how I tune my mandolins

    I like your Biography page, I Would be Keen to hear and or see you play.
    regards, Maurice

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    What is the scale length and what are you tuning it to? I think your big mandolin already has a name.
    It is more or less a Banjola which may be a Gold Tone trademark?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMoe View Post
    I like your Biography page, I Would be Keen to hear and or see you play.
    regards, Maurice
    Here's a vid I posted here in the "Post a video of yourself thread" in March...

    https://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/t...=1#post1762351
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMoe View Post
    It is more or less a Banjola which may be a Gold Tone trademark?
    The banjola name has been used for nearly 100 years by people but honestly, your scale if that is correct is just a wee bit longer than a mandocello. I think if you adopt a scale for an octave mandolin or a mandocello you probably have something you can sell. Take a look at Weber's page, not for the styles but for the scale lengths. Reinventing the wheel is fine but honestly, your time at Mid-Mo should give you a handle on the genre and you apparently have the skill set to build. Now you just have to build what people might buy.

    I seriously doubt that Goldtone is setting the world on fire with their banjolas.
    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhergert View Post
    Here's a vid I posted here in the "Post a video of yourself thread" in March...

    https://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/t...=1#post1762351
    Very nice sound! I am jealous of Your playing and your beard -Maurice

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    More on August Pollmann selling these style instruments in the late 1800's.

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    Here are a couple of pics of a baritone version I built back in 2016. Lowest string was a G (from memory) and it had a lovely growly tonality. Spruce, Australian blackwood body with a mahogany neck.

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    Default Re: Big Mandolin With Banjo Tuning

    Thank you all for the helpful Information and links. Shirley Collins plays a dulcimer shaped version she refers to as "The Instrument" I am not trying to re invent the wheel, nor do I have anything for sale. I am an amateur builder and hobbyist trying to be creative and have fun. I am pleased with the way the open drone string seems to be working out. The string gauges are, plain.017 drone, .046w, .040w, .032w, .026w and tuned in A. A E A C#E These are details more related to the banjo, so guess I should not be cluttering up your mandolin site with them.
    Thanks again and best regards, Maurice

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    One of the reasons I'm so happy about the way my mandolin tuning is working out is that I have an old plectrum banjo in the wings waiting for me to decide my flatpicking is up to snuff enough to start working on it. I'll tune this banjo to open G, like a 5-string without the 5th string... I also have an old tenor that I'll go with open Bb tuning with, playing it like a short-scale plectrum. Both of these are nice mid 1920s instruments that deserve playing.

    The reason I bring this up is that if you're working on flatpicking for mandolin, it applies well to 4-string banjos, perhaps a consideration related to building an instrument that has the short drone 5th string. Minus that 5th string, you're basically building a long-scale open tuning 4-string mandolin...

    You've probably considered this so I don't want to discourage building a banjola. But one of the reasons they aren't so common is that they don't have the acoustic volume of a banjo, a mandolin, a guitar, a fiddle or a Dobro, so they can't penetrate well in jams. Mic'ed on stage they're fine and they do have nice tone, but not a very bluegrassy tone, almost more like a mountain dulcimer.
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    Body shape aside '5 string tenor guitar' could apply..
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    Default Re: Big Mandolin With Banjo Tuning

    [QUOTE=MikeEdgerton;1773999] your scale if that is correct is just a wee bit longer than a mandocello.

    Thanks again all, Showing off is never a good look, but it is always a good way to get schooled. I am here to learn. I see historically that these do fall into in the Mandolin family. Mine is obviously not unique (one of kind) It is definitely esoteric (for the few).
    I have made quite a few of this sort of instrument. All of the long ones I have made have a 25.125 scale length with the bass side a bit longer.
    All of my parts are homemade. I have not adhered to the Gibson or Webber standard which may be silly. I am loaning it to some players. If it is up to snuff, I will post a video in
    the CBOM group.

    Thanks again, Maurice

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    Default Re: Big Mandolin With Banjo Tuning

    Mr. Froese added a very nice sounding audio in this thread on BHO. The sound at least is somewhat is unique.

    https://www.banjohangout.org/topic/364274/#4623293
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    Default Re: Big Mandolin With Banjo Tuning

    Quote Originally Posted by mandroid View Post
    Body shape aside '5 string tenor guitar' could apply..
    I like that. Mr froese directed me to this I guess it is a Plectrum guitar
    (National Tri-Cone)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6NwcaTppco

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    Default Re: Big Mandolin With Banjo Tuning

    I am going to call it a 5 string tenor lute. The A tuning may turn out to be useless, That can be changed.

    http://www.gibson-prewar.com/gibson-...er-model-lute/

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    Default Re: Big Mandolin With Banjo Tuning

    I am still not finding a place for this to fit in. I did find my way back to the cafe, which is cool.

    https://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/t...y-vintage-ones

    https://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/t...son-Tenor-Lute

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