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    Default A real Gibson A two point?

    I wonder, whether someone out there can identify this mandolin, which is claimed to be a Gibson.

    https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...700283-74-2996
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    Default Re: A real Gibson A two point?

    it looks like a total "Frankenstein" made up of an old Ibanez 2 point with a new, badly made neck/headstock assembly... i mean i didn't even look at all the pictures, but it certainly isn't a Gibson mandolin.

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    My first decent mandolin which I bought in 1977 and I still have was a two point Suzuki. It has exactly the same tailpiece with that stylised S on the tailpiece cover. Of course, that S could be an I- as I have seen it on other Japanese branded two point mandolins- one assumes they were all made in the same factory. So, it may be an Ibanez or a Suzuki or one of the other brands but it sure as hell is not something made in Kalamazoo. It is worth pointing out, that whoever faked this did a good job of getting the wrong Gibson script on the headstock and could not be bothered to change the tailpiece cover. No Jethro style two point mandolin as far as I know had that script logo which came back in vogue when Gibson started recreating instruments made before the late 1940s.

    Here is the "genuine" article - an Antoria- not an Antonia- notice that pickguard cover- same stylised S or I- not an A for Antoria!

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stunning-...p2047675.l2557

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    There are some real issues there one being the model number along with the rest that's wrong. That model would not have been designated as an F style as the body isn't an F style.
    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    An attempt to replicate the Gibson A-5?
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    Default Re: A real Gibson A two point?

    This is an example of what we call intentional forgery.

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    "Replicate" may be a bit too generous Allen. Mimic or allude to perhaps? I have the Ibenez version of this mandolin but it's in need of some major repair work. I bought it because I loved that red sunburst finish (and got my telecaster finished in the same red burst). My mandolin has that same stylized I or S branded tailpiece. The OP's is in no way a real Gibson mandolin. Every A-5 from this period that I've ever seen had that red or a tobacco sunburst, none were blond finishes.

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    That is , at best, a cartoon.

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    Default Re: A real Gibson A two point?

    I thank you all for your interest and expertise.
    The case seems quite clear now to me.
    Maybe I can find out, whether the actual owner is conscious of what he is offering or not.
    Thanks again!

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    That link does not show the mandolin now. Perhaps, since it was posted here, somebody has contacted him and suggested what has been outlined here. With that price- over 1500 euros, it suggests one of two things- he thinks it is a Gibson and is charging a Gibson price, or he knows it is a dog's dinner masquerading as a Gibson and does not care. That Antoria I posted sold for more than the norm for these mandolins in the UK. I have seen them, in excellent condition go for about 175 and they are pretty good instruments. I bought mine for 65 in 1977 and that was a big deal for me- I was just about to graduate but back then buying an instrument was not like it is today- the availability was low and the information about instruments- apart from what you were told in the shop, was negligible. I was paying 3-25 rent a week back then, so the Suzuki represented 20 weeks rent- that is two of the three terms for the year! It's nice to know it is in terms of inflation, worth a small fraction of what I paid for it all those years ago but it is a good instrument!

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    Ebay UK has just listed a Ventura with the S for Suzuki on tailpiece. Antoria, Suzuki, Ventura all looked the same, or very similar. I once had an Ibanez Artist A5. Very pretty. Bound all round and immaculate condition but pressed top and no volume, from memory.
    I had an Antoria and it was pretty good. Dont know if the Gibson A5 had much of a sound although Jethro played one for years. Maybe it was made with best woods? I've not had a Gibson A5 like that in my hands.

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    Wortmann, alte Rakete,
    if its a Frankenmando you MUST play it! Go get it for cheap and free the monster inside...

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    Default Re: A real Gibson A two point?

    In fact I contacted the owner.
    He said, he would have a look into here.
    Seems he did.

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    Good point, Pit!

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    That Ventura for sale in the UK represents the current market value for one of these mandolins. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ventura-V...AAAOSwSTFezBJT

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