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    I have recently built a custom f style octave mandolin... of course there are no off the shelf options for a case, so I took the plunge to learn a new skill and built a custom arched top case. I have the case covered in Tolex and the upholstery covered in green velour.... I am happy with it... however, there is one component that has me stumped... that stitched band that goes around the lid. I have searched the internet over for a product that I can wrap in Tolex, stitch, and apply to the lid, but I can’t find anything. I have looked for 1.25” wide plastic strips, cardboard strips, felt strips but can’t find anything that is flexible enough to bend around the corners, but ridged enough to Keep its shape to seal the lid.... am I overthinking this? Is there anyone out there that has built your own case and know what to use for that lid band (and where to get it). Thanks in advance.

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    I have no experience with this, but an upholstery shop, or a fabric shop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyV View Post
    I have no experience with this, but an upholstery shop, or a fabric shop?
    I agree that is a good logical fist place to look.... they use tack strips both out of plastic (for marine use) and cardboard. However, they are typically 1/2” wide and I have seen them 5/8” wide. I have initiated contact with a paper products company to see if I could special order a 1.25” roll... haven’t heard back but doubt that it will bare fruit given that I need such a small quantity. There has to be something off the shelf to use for this! Thanks.

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    Try a plastics place, something like what they make flexible plastic rulers out of might bear fruit more readily than reaching out to a manufacturer.
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    Upholstery folks use a light weight plastic sheet to make patterns. Try searching pattern maker plastic sheet, upholstery pattern plastic and see what comes up.

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    While this may sound like a wackadoodle idea, what about the "tape" you can buy to put down on stair steps to prevent slipping. Admittedly, it's adhesive on one side and gritty on the other, but it's flexible and durable. You could do away with the adhesive by sticking it to some light cloth. In that you're going to wrap it, the gritty side won't matter.

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    You could take a wood veneer, I know it is too thin, it is flexible. You could then glue two or three together in the proper shape and it would be strong enough, and it is easy to bend as a single piece. Not sure how it would sew tho, you may have to drill the holes in the veneer after you have the tolex on.
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    Cafe member Loudloar (Steve Kirtley) has both a Facebook group and a web page that deals with vintage cases. There is some information his website that deals with building cases. You might take a look at the website:

    http://www.stevekirtley.org/vintagecases.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by BamaBill View Post
    I agree that is a good logical fist place to look.... they use tack strips both out of plastic (for marine use) and cardboard. However, they are typically 1/2” wide and I have seen them 5/8” wide. I have initiated contact with a paper products company to see if I could special order a 1.25” roll... haven’t heard back but doubt that it will bare fruit given that I need such a small quantity. There has to be something off the shelf to use for this! Thanks.
    1.25 wide, is it to be folded down the centre?

    I do like the tape idea, but using the adhesive to hold it to the tolex would be a benefit, no?

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    Thanks for all of the comments and suggestions. In reply to AndyV... the total width of the stitched band on the several Mando and guitar cases that I have is 1.25 inches (not folded). I ordered a roll of plastic weather stripping (actually it is silicon strip). It was too flimsy. I ordered a sample of 2mm thick polyester felt tape... it was too flimsy also, but the adhesive back was very helpful in getting it sewed together. .. But, there is another type of felt called “banner felt” that Is stiffer. I have a sample of that on the way. I feel my OCD kicking into full gear... no doubt that I am making this harder than it has to be!

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    That is a great link! I have emailed Mr. Kirtley to see if he can give insights on what the manufacturers use. Thanks - Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    Cafe member Loudloar (Steve Kirtley) has both a Facebook group and a web page that deals with vintage cases. There is some information his website that deals with building cases. You might take a look at the website:

    http://www.stevekirtley.org/vintagecases.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    Cafe member Loudloar (Steve Kirtley) has both a Facebook group and a web page that deals with vintage cases. There is some information his website that deals with building cases. You might take a look at the website:

    http://www.stevekirtley.org/vintagecases.htm
    So, just to put a bow on this thread, I got in touch with Steve Kirtley and he filled me in on how case valances are applied and how it has evolved over the years... BTW, that stitched band around a case lid is called a valance... Thanks to all that replied!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BamaBill View Post
    So, just to put a bow on this thread, I got in touch with Steve Kirtley and he filled me in on how case valances are applied and how it has evolved over the years... BTW, that stitched band around a case lid is called a valance... Thanks to all that replied!
    Dude. Now that you've got us started, inquiring minds want to know! How IS the valance applied?

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    Seriously! Don’t leave us hanging!!
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    If you're on Facebook take a look at Steve's Vintage Case page. The picture is there. It's probably also on Steve's site listed above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    If you're on Facebook take a look at Steve's Vintage Case page. The picture is there. It's probably also on Steve's site listed above.
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