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1924 Gibson A4 - 2018 Campanella A-5 - 2007 Brentrup A4C - 1915 Frank Merwin Ashley violin - Huss & Dalton DS - 1923 Gibson A2 black snakehead - '83 Flatiron A5-2 - 1939 Gibson L-00 - 1936 Epiphone Deluxe - 1928 Gibson L-5 - ca. 1890s Fairbanks Senator Banjo - ca. 1923 Vega Style M tenor banjo - ca. 1920 Weymann Style 25 Mandolin-Banjo - National RM-1
I don't see how you could misread that label. It's an A2-Z on a cloudy day.
Is there any way to tell if mandolins were originally part of one of the orchestra sets that Gibson used to make up and ship to orchestras? Just thinking there may be other reasons for refinishing other than cosmetic covering up. If an orchestra wanted a set of black instruments then the a bit of repurposing to make up a set would make sense too. Has anyone ever found any info that would allow those sets to be identified?
Eoin
"Forget that anyone is listening to you and always listen to yourself" - Fryderyk Chopin
Thanks for all the thoughtful replies. Fascinating stuff. Sent the A2Z off to Cumberland Acoustics for a Refret and a setup. Really excited to have it back. It will be with me for the long-haul for sure. When I first picked it up, I knew it was a keeper. It's label is cool, for sure. But, I love the story and the discussion that is has generated. I write about guitars in my spare time, and the history and strange practices of Gibson fascinate me. I love Martins, but they are straight instruments ; ) I'm kinda crooked ; )
Gibson was notoriously strange in its practices for sure. That is why we love them. I have had my A-2 for about 40 years. Sometimes the newer kids get more play time but I always pick it up and appreciate it.
Jim
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19th Century Tunes
Playing lately:
1924 Gibson A4 - 2018 Campanella A-5 - 2007 Brentrup A4C - 1915 Frank Merwin Ashley violin - Huss & Dalton DS - 1923 Gibson A2 black snakehead - '83 Flatiron A5-2 - 1939 Gibson L-00 - 1936 Epiphone Deluxe - 1928 Gibson L-5 - ca. 1890s Fairbanks Senator Banjo - ca. 1923 Vega Style M tenor banjo - ca. 1920 Weymann Style 25 Mandolin-Banjo - National RM-1
Anything is possible with a factory produced instrument.
I will occasionally intentionally make a black topped mandolin that has a burst back or neck. For those instruments, I burst the initial coat of the top the same as the back, before the black gets added. It is a subtle little surprise for the future owner in 50 years when the finish starts getting worn, just like the English imported 1950s stratocasters that had red over an original burst finish that did not show up until recently when the topcoat finally was worn down.
MJB
Beautiful instruments...
But, a word of caution... I have a friend whose beautiful ca ~2000 black body Martin dreadnought's top-center-seam opened up while being played under about 30 minutes of direct southern California summer sun. This wasn't in the desert, just in one of the towns outside of L.A., so there was nothing extraordinary going on. And in that group, other people who had similar vintage natural finish Martins also in the sun had no problem.
Since witnessing that I hesitate to play any black or dark finish instrument in direct sunlight. They just get too hot, too fast. Best to err on the side of caution.
-- Don
"Music: A minor auditory irritation occasionally characterized as pleasant."
"It is a lot more fun to make music than it is to argue about it."
2002 Gibson F-9
2016 MK LFSTB
1975 Suzuki taterbug (plus many other noisemakers)
[About how I tune my mandolins]
[Our recent arrival]
Remember the mandolin was intended for classical music. The musicians wore formal dress, and it was not uncommon for them to request the Gibson respray their instrument black to be "more formal". I have had several instruments that were resprayed black, including a 1920 F4 and a 1915 A3.
I have often heard that instruments were oversprayed in clear to "freshen them up" when sent back to Gibson to preserve a new appearance for musicians playing "tuxedo" gigs.
Similarly, I seem to remember Brian Epstein having John Lennon's Rickenbacker guitar repainted black to freshen up their image in the Beatles pre-fame days....
My "A" snakehead with A2Z trimmings. Note the black trim internal to the white binding on the bass side (which is obscured where the black top finish is intact)
This long-haul keeper appears on the move again, having gone from Charles Johnson to the OP and more recently TR Crandall to the classifieds in the last year. I hope it finds a good home.
https://trcrandall.com/collections/a...23-gibson-a2-z
https://www.mandolincafe.com/ads/168109#168109
1924 Gibson A Snakehead
2005 National RM-1
2007 Hester A5
2009 Passernig A5
2015 Black A2-z
2010 Black GBOM
2017 Poe Scout
2014 Smart F-Style Mandola
2018 Vessel TM5
2019 Hogan F5
I am sure it will be another long-haul keeper for the next owner as well as subsequent owners for the long haul after that.
I will never say that about any instrument I own but this A2 has been with me for more than 40 years. I guess that is a long haul already.
I still like coming back to it and its neck is perfect for me. If I ever commissioned a mandolin from a luthier I would show him or her that neck to duplicate.
Last edited by Jim Garber; Mar-07-2021 at 2:35pm.
Jim
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19th Century Tunes
Playing lately:
1924 Gibson A4 - 2018 Campanella A-5 - 2007 Brentrup A4C - 1915 Frank Merwin Ashley violin - Huss & Dalton DS - 1923 Gibson A2 black snakehead - '83 Flatiron A5-2 - 1939 Gibson L-00 - 1936 Epiphone Deluxe - 1928 Gibson L-5 - ca. 1890s Fairbanks Senator Banjo - ca. 1923 Vega Style M tenor banjo - ca. 1920 Weymann Style 25 Mandolin-Banjo - National RM-1
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