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    Sherry, you can get pretty far with the 3 finger g- chop 523 (root high) moved across and up and down; the 233 shape (root middle) and 224 shape (root bass). They move around nicely to play in any key. I’m still working on easy movable 7s.
    Btw, I’m not crazy about that a shape either and can’t get it to ring out reliably when using 1 finger to cover the g and d string. I find a full barre easier or even two separate fingers for g and d string (hold over from my uke days) but I am working on hitting that sweet spot covering the second g and first d, and just muting the first g and second d (I have fairly thin and not terribly strong fingers.

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    Sherry, you might try out an online teacher that can see what you're struggling with and help out.
    I'd highly recommend ArtistWorks with Mike Marshall but there are lots of others out there. Lots of pros willing to give lessons right now while their gigs are cancelled.
    Thanks, Drew. I'll consider this, although, I feel my problem is mostly hand position. That might be difficult to see online.

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    Mark, I hope we get the chance to play together again one of these days.

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    Chords are not compulsory. I play some, but when I play along with others, I tend to play melody, harmony-melody, runs and fill-ins, there is just so much that can be done - with any instrument - that it comes down to personal preference. And above all playing music should be enjoyable. So long as there are six guitars around me banging out the chords, I feel little need to add to them. Still, each to his or her own!

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    Sherry: There's an easy way to learn. I know because it's the way I learned chords on guitar, banjo, mandolin and mandola. Choose some pieces of music you like. Preferably from a "three chord" book (like https://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/the-guitar-three-chord-songbook-volume-3-g-c-d-sheet-music/20107850?utm_medium=cpc&adpos=&gclid=Cj0KCQjwhZr1B RCLARIsALjRVQPXYZYdZWfY8DkVqo6uyP4oolZjzJxB0SFEu_0 xj3I8NC-4Gj_dtjwaAsUBEALw_wcB&d=sem_sidecar&d=sem_sidecar& d=sem_ggl_{campaign_id}_&popup=false&popup=false&u tm_source=google&ac=1&country_code=USA&sc_intid=20 107850&scid=scplp20107850) (just an example of the kind of book, I'm not hawking it and I have no financial interest). Pick a few songs you like. Then choose from those songs all of the songs in one particular major key. I prefer to start with D, because that's what most of the roots music is in and that's what I like to play, but it doesn't matter. Don't learn the CHORDS, learn the songs. As you learn to play them more and more ably you're learning chords, chord progressions and chord changes. If you learn the three D key chords, you've already got 2 out of 3 of the key of G chords. Then when you learn the key of G chords, you'll have 2 out of three chords for the key of A. And by that time, you'll have realized that by moving the exact same forms up one fret or two ("up"=toward the bridge) you will be changing into a new key without changing the position of your fingers. So the D chord moved 2 frets toward the bridge becomes an E, the G chord moved 2 frets toward the bridge becomes an A, and the A chord (from the key of D chords) moved one fret toward the bridge becomes an E. That's the genius of an instrument tuned in 5ths. And of learning to play music, not chords. And the bonus: since you have become expert in reading music, you know where all of the notes are located on the fretboard, which means you can always find the notes that are the roots of every one of those chord forms ... from there paradise is yours.
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    I focus on the 2 or 3-finger major chord forms that omit the e-string entirely. The barre A -> 224x, 3-finger D -> 245x, and E -> 122x represent the 3 forms. Once these are comfortable it's easy to learn the minor forms for all three and build from there.

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    I can whistle two notes at once, but rarely do.

    I don't like fussing over chords either. I suffered over the chop chords and a few of the minors, but never invested the time. Love Jethro though!

    When I retire. . . But, really playing alone and with all the melodies in my brain, I'm happy. I do get flummoxed when I play folky stuff with others. All those off chords!

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    The big revelation I had was that I don't need to strum through all four courses of
    strings to do a creditable chord. !!!?!

    So all the double stops become chord enough for me. A closed form for finger chord, like the big bluegrass G chord, is made of three pairs of double stops. And any of them in a pinch will suffice as a chord.

    So pick a double stop out of G chord. Move it across to make it a C chord. Move it from there up two frets to make it a D chord. Now you have a I a IV and a V chord. The whole constellation can be moved to any where up the neck - so really you have a I, IV and V chord in every key. Heck, messing around like this you don't even need to know, necessarily, what key you are in. (Not that I recommend it.)

    Mess around with this for an hour and you can have a lot of fun. Soon enough you will be able provide chord like sounds when you want, where you want, have something to contribute in most keys commonly played.

    With time one can expand from there, but even so, it is a fantastic place to land and rest for a while and just enjoy what can be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD View Post
    The big revelation I had was that I don't need to strum through all four courses of
    strings to do a creditable chord.
    I had this revelation also on guitar, and it has really enriched my musical life. I was copying some of George Harrison's fills and licks off Sargent Pepper (the bit following Bil - ly Shears that leads into With A Little Help From My Friends). Only 3 or 4 strings, whoa! Then I noticed he does it in other places too. Wow. Maybe you don't need all the strings all the time.

    And then when I was taking mandolin lessons from Wayne Benson he was showing me some chord theory and how much you can do with just 2 or 3 strings. I keep experimenting and find that often, depending on the context, fewer strings actually works better.
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    Fewer strings gives more flexibility. Three courses gives you all the up and down the neck positions, and one move side ways across the neck. Two courses gives you the same up and down the neck, but three positions across the neck.
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    I love playing chords, the coolest chord I ever played was an Am7b5 on mandola which is phrased as ( stings and frets) this is the opening of McCoy Tyner's "Search for Peace"

    A 6
    D 5
    G 5
    C 9

    the notes are A C G Eb

    but I digress, just an open C or F on a Mandola can stop me in my tracks, forget about a CMaj7 on Mandocello, I am not going anywhere if that is happening

    Double stops are not chords but they are harmonizations, the Greeks were the first to document octaves, fifths and thirds, but I am sure Harmony ( Chords are 3 and 3+ harmonized tones) but I'm sure mutli tone music is far older than that.

    With music a solo performance can be captivating, memorable and moving, but so can a duet or larger group- even of the same piece of music.
    I have heard some fiddlers and talk about not worrying about the chords so much, the beauty of the mandolin is it is strong as both a solo and chordal instrument.

    Grisman and Burns are masters at shifting one finger and still emphasizing the chord change.

    I know B.B King used to say "I don't play chords"
    me I love to play chords
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    Quote Originally Posted by tmsweeney View Post
    Double stops are not chords but they are harmonizations, the Greeks were the first to document octaves, fifths and thirds, but I am sure Harmony ( Chords are 3 and 3+ harmonized tones) but I'm sure mutli tone music is far older than that.
    I've been making a study of this. The earliest texts we have documenting intervals in music theory are Sumerian, about 5,000 years old. There was a time when Western musicologists believed the Greeks had the earliest documentation, although iconic representations in Egypt, Babylon and even earlier in cave drawings - as well as very ancient flutes tuned to pentatonic scales - did prove that multi-tone instruments existed long before any textual documentation that we've found. And that just stands to reason; people had to have thought about, experimented and taught music theory long before the Chaldeans carved it into stone or the Greeks put it on parchment. The Egyptians did little or nothing to document music theory. The earliest appears to be Babylonian, and the Greeks surely borrowed from them.

    But all this is digression from the topic. I love playing chords too!
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    I think in many cases it comes from what instruments one played before mandolin.

    I came from woodwinds. And to a woodwind the world of music is a single note melody. Harmonies and chords are all someone else'a job, someone else's problem. Learning music became a bit like memorizing phone numbers. Just boop boop boop beep beep. And I got kind of good at it.

    So the result was that I hated chords and avoided having to play chords for a long time, because it seemed to me and my prejudice that playing the chords was what someone does when they did not know the tune.

    It took a while to realize and learn that the mandolin can be the whole darn orchestra, and there were all these other strings besides the one the melody note was on.


    I know the reverse is true as well. Very often those whose prior musical experience is folk guitar often conceive of mandolin as "just" a chord instrument. And playing the melody or singing is someone else's job.


    So its kind of a mental thing. Do you conceive of music horizontally, as a string of notes over time, needing chords, like telephone poles, to hold things up now and then; or vertically, as a structure of chords like beautiful beads, with a melody there to string the beads together. Neither is true, though neither is entirely false.

    Music, for me, always seems to transcend any mental model I create. Hope that helps.
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    I often tend to harmonize the melody line with double stops .. 2 notes .. Major or minor interval relationships between them..
    suggesting a chord ..even a 7th..
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    Who was it who said "there's no money above the 5th fret"?

    Well, anyway, I play above the 5th fret much if not most of the time, but but I rarely use a full 4-course chord above the 5th fret. I'll routinely cover course 1-2-3 and then I'll reach over and pinky-finger the 4th course if needed.

    Double/triple-stops and chord melody pretty well dictate chording up in the hinterlands. You can get away with vamping without chords, but personally I prefer to vamp chords too, also often above the 5th fret.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD View Post
    I think in many cases it comes from what instruments one played before mandolin.

    I came from woodwinds. And to a woodwind the world of music is a single note melody. Harmonies and chords are all someone else'a job, someone else's problem. Learning music became a bit like memorizing phone numbers. Just boop boop boop beep beep. And I got kind of good at it.

    So the result was that I hated chords and avoided having to play chords for a long time, because it seemed to me and my prejudice that playing the chords was what someone does when they did not know the tune.

    It took a while to realize and learn that the mandolin can be the whole darn orchestra, and there were all these other strings besides the one the melody note was on.


    I know the reverse is true as well. Very often those whose prior musical experience is folk guitar often conceive of mandolin as "just" a chord instrument. And playing the melody or singing is someone else's job.


    So its kind of a mental thing. Do you conceive of music horizontally, as a string of notes over time, needing chords, like telephone poles, to hold things up now and then; or vertically, as a structure of chords like beautiful beads, with a melody there to string the beads together. Neither is true, though neither is entirely false.

    Music, for me, always seems to transcend any mental model I create. Hope that helps.
    Melodies are mostly made of chord tones, and different ways to connect them. My first instrument is a woodwind too, and I practice chords continuously. Music is, first of all, a craft.

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