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    Hey gang. I was playing with the worship band at church on Sunday and afterwards I was chatting with the electric guitar player and he recommended using a compressor with my set up. After I asked him to explain what that was and what it did and he gave a good explanation, I started thinking that it may be a good idea.

    What's the mando-collective consensus on compressors? Good/bad/worthwhile? I am playing my SA with and on board K&K and am using a Fire-eye Red-eye pre/DI. If they are a worthwhile purchase, what is a good affordable Compressor that would fit with my simple set up?
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    I use one on mandolin with rock bands, it makes it easier to control volume when switching from chording to single note lines. Good players step toward a mike or away to do the same thing. For me, the compressor sorta automates that with loud bands. Sometimes, it makes it easier to control where you fit in a mix.

    I started out with just a basic, inexpensive behringer compressor, which worked fine, but is in a plastic case. It was something like $30 when I got it, so not much of a risk in terms of trying one. I now use a compressor built into a Boss AD-10 preamp. The Boss or Behringer units work fine, they are easy to control, you want to use them in a fair subtle way. I have a fancier compressor, a Pigtronix, that I use on electric guitar, it's more extreme that I'd ever use with mandolin. On mandolin, I"m just limiting the dynamic range a bit, not trying to increase the sustain. On electric lead guitar, a compressor helps to increase sustain in front of distortion or overdrive pedals, so a more complex compressor is an advantage there.

    You can probably find a used Boss compressor a guitar center or online easily enough. People buy them and can't figure out what to do with them, or don't like them, and trade them in regularly, I think. I suggest Boss, because they are found all over and are really reliable. Lots of other brands out there should be fine, they are just a comfort zone buying used.

    I never used to like compression, but then I saw a pretty good lead guitarist close up and it was obvious he had massive amounts of compression going. It was effective for him, because he could play single note leads or power chords at the same volume level relative to the band. Obviously, that level of compression means you have no dynamic range left at all, you have to alter note density to give the impression of dynamics, like a harpsichord or something.

    In mixing contra dance bands, I have a mixer with independent compression available on each input channel. It helps in creating a clean mix where you can hear the whole band, if you lightly compress some instruments (guitar, mandolin, bass, maybe flute), and sometimes the dance caller as well.
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    I use them for my band. I’ve only use the ones on digital mixing boards. We use them more as a limiter, to duck the signal, to keep from having to much attack when things get too excited!
    We use them more with our new system, the X32. It is very involved and intricate. Not for the faint of heart. It emulates vintage studio gear as well as modern compression.
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    FWIW, Roger McGuinn of The Byrds (hits w/ mostly Dylan tunes like "Mr. Tambourine Man") used compression on his Rickenbacker 12-string guitar (lots of treble), to the extent that his Ric signature model includes a built-in compressor. Might be worth looking up.
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    I've been using the L.R.Baggs Session Acoustic DI with good results.

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    If you want to use compressor on mandolin, I would recommend the Barber Tone Press. It has a setting for fast FET compression and a blend knob for doing parallel compression. What that means is that you can get the extra sustain and evenness of a compressor without it totally squashing the signal. The Tone Press is the best I've used for instruments. I dial the blend at about 40% wet. Works fantastic.
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    I think it's important to remember that electric guitarists typically use a compressor to get greater sustain, which is counter to how most mandolins are played. A compressor will shave off the top end of the volume and allow you to raise the floor, but it usually comes at the cost of dynamics.
    If you think you need a compressor on a mandolin, I'd first check your volume in the monitor mix: it could be too low, causing you to play more forcefully than you are used to in order to compete to be heard so that you are too loud during the quiet parts; or you might be too loud overall so you blast yourself out on those parts where you are laying into it.
    I have my volume set in the mix so that I can hear myself playing relatively soft. I only lay into it if the other instruments are also playing loud parts; or if I'm taking a solo, where I also tap the boost on my RedEye or Tonedexter. If there is any compression, it's usually the sound guy doing at a digital board, and it's applied to the overall mix.
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    I'll point out that the only reason I use compression (live) is because the pickup (on my go-to live/amplified mando, a Rigel R-100) seems to exaggerate the dynamics when compared to how it sounds acoustically, making it more difficult to play "naturally" – notes pop out a lot more than intended. A little compression, just to make it sound mic'd instead of piezo'd, is quite liberating.

    I used to use an MXR dynacomp (up until it died) – the multiband compressor on the Baggs DI is a lot less noticeable, just getting rid of the "dank!" while retaining the dynamics.

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    i once played an open mic and said to my friend who runs it... er... why all the sustain on my mandolin.... yup, compressor! He quickly turned it off. I can see the point for loud bands (i'm in one!) so may experiment and hopefully avoid sustain probs!
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    For the uninitiated, there are many types of compression, and many outcomes. Some are very useful and musically pleasing. Some, not so much.
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    Someone gave me a Behringer compressor some time ago and I gotta tell you, all those controls are very daunting. The manual didn't help much,
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    Just a few observations from experience:

    Compressors are one of my favorite tools for bringing "forward" an instrument during the mixdown phase of a recording. It's also essential to mastering, but you really have to know what you're doing, not to abuse it.

    However, for an acoustic mandolin playing live at reasonable stage volume with other acoustic instruments, I have never found it desirable or necessary. For one thing, every decibel of compression on an acoustic instrument is one decibel less headroom against feedback. If you don't know what you're doing with a compressor, it's a fast ticket to feedback city on a loud enough stage.

    Make sure you really need one, and you're not just throwing it in the signal chain because you've seen someone else do it. Compression is probably the most difficult technique to understand in live and recorded audio. Take the time to study some online resources to learn how it works.

    The "parallel compression" idea mentioned above is worth trying to avoid losing too much of the acoustic quality of your tone. It can be done by splitting your signal and sending two separate outputs to a mixer, if you don't have a compressor pedal with that function. It's still a risk for feedback though, so a little dab will do 'ya.

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    I think what the guy who mentioned it to me was saying was that since I'm doing a combination of picking and strumming, a compressor would help level everything out so there more volume for the harder to hear stuff and less for the blasting harsher tones that can unintentionally come from picking. Is this an accurate assessment?

    I can say that there is a tendency in this venue for the sound guys to crank it a little more than necessary, and I do feel frequently that my contribution gets a little lost.

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    I think what might be happening is the seemingly non linear response of a pickup vs picking volume...a good microphone gives a realistic representation of what you are picking, where as a piezoelectric doesn’t.

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