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    Default Re: Prettiest A model I have seen in a while

    How does it compare in your mind with your early Pava?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pheffernan View Post
    How does it compare in your mind with your early Pava?
    Not a fair comparison. Totally different instruments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandobar View Post
    Not a fair comparison. Totally different instruments.
    Aren’t they all? My impression was that the early Pava A5’s were made with essentially the same division of labor as the Ellis A5’s of the time. Just curious.
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    There are certain consistencies that a particular builder/shop that we come to expect, so yes, they are all different, but a competent builder can shape the tonal qualities of an instrument to meet a player's preferences.

    That said, if I had to compare my former Pava to this Ellis, I'd say the Pava was voiced more towards traditional "Gibsonesque" tone (read as "bluegrass"), and this one, close to ten years later, has more of a contemporary voice. The Pava never worked for playing Irish sessions or even old times ringing triads (think Angeline the Baker in D). It would get lost in a sea of guitars at a jam, no matter what strings I tried (although thinking back I probably should have tried John Pearse strings on it, now that I think of it).

    I don't think it's the division of labor that creates the tonal qualities on an instrument. It is the voicing that creates the character that we hear, or at least a large part of it. The rest is left to technique (player style), strings, picks, and anything else that the individual owner/player brings to the mandolin as an outside influence.
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    Default Re: Prettiest A model I have seen in a while

    Quote Originally Posted by Mandobar View Post
    I don't think it's the division of labor that creates the tonal qualities on an instrument. It is the voicing that creates the character that we hear, or at least a large part of it.
    Thanks for the more elaborate response, Mary. I was including the voicer in the division of labor.

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    I think Tom voices some of them differently. TME had another A5 recently, which I played which was nothing like this one. In fact, before I drove down there I called and spoke to Andy Cambria and asked him what the voice was like on this one. He told me it was different than the one they had just sold, more overtones. Which was what I was looking for. It does not disappoint. And it has what appears to be a subtle speed neck.
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    Default Re: Prettiest A model I have seen in a while

    Interesting. Has Tom built any A5’s as part of his Traditional line? I was under the impression that he developed that option as an alternative to his usual voicing, which is noted for its complex overtones.
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    Not that I know of, but I've played a few Traditional F5's. I thought they were more contemporary sounding than his other mandolins. The torrified tops give them more or a "presence" for lack of a better word. They have a more fundamental voice. More volume. It's a different expectation, again. As they say, variety is what makes life interesting.
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    Default Re: Prettiest A model I have seen in a while

    Mary, since you’re talking voicing, could you compare/contrast the Ellis to your Heiden?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve-o View Post
    Mary, since you’re talking voicing, could you compare/contrast the Ellis to your Heiden?
    I’m not sure it’s fair to even compare them. I’ve had the Ellis for less than a day.
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    Default Re: Prettiest A model I have seen in a while

    Fair enough. I’ll just have to be patient.

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    Looks like another one with tortoise binding has just been posted at The Music Emporium. These are beautiful mandolins.
    https://themusicemporium.com/mandoli...gbird_sunburst

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