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    Default Lyon & Healy Style A, #2356 -- Looking for info

    Not having access to the Washburn books mentioned in Tim's post, I am wondering if someone can tell me the year for this L&H based on #2356 found on the label:

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    Took it to my local luthier, Marc Glickman, who said it was in great shape apart from needing some new frets up top and maybe a bit of work on the bridge and fingerboard to get the action "just right" ... It plays well as it is. Nevertheless, I'll leave it with Marc to do his magic following CMSA.

    I've wanted one of these forever, so while I'm now without a piggy bank, I'm in pig heaven all the same!

    Thanks for any help you can provide regarding the year.

    Joe

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    Default Re: Lyon & Healy Style A, #2356 -- Looking for info

    The label says Style A and not Style 5280, correct? Does it have a pull-out rest?
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    Default Re: Lyon & Healy Style A, #2356 -- Looking for info

    mrmando, the label says Style A. It does not have the pull-out rest ... which I had to search here in the Cafe to know what you meant.

    Joe

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    Default Re: Lyon & Healy Style A, #2356 -- Looking for info

    Very nice! Always wanted to play one of these.

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    Default Re: Lyon & Healy Style A, #2356 -- Looking for info

    Precise serial number dating isn't a thing for L&H mandolins the way it is for Gibson.

    According to the Washburn book, that label came into use in 1922 (but the book also says the earlier orange label was in use until 1923, so there's some overlap).

    But in 1925 the Style A was renamed the Style 5280.

    So we have a range of 1922–24, and a high serial number favors the latter end of the range, as does the absence of the pull-out rest. So, 1923 or 1924.
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    Default Re: Lyon & Healy Style A, #2356 -- Looking for info

    Quote Originally Posted by mrmando View Post
    But in 1925 the Style A was renamed the Style 5280.
    Sorry, that should be 5283. it's the Style C that became Style 5280.

    I don't believe I know of any Style A serial numbers above 3000. No. 2356 is most likely the last year of the run before the renaming happened, so likelier 1924 than 1923.
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    Default Re: Lyon & Healy Style A, #2356 -- Looking for info

    Thanks, mrmando, for your expert help with this. I see you are in Seattle which is a nice coincidence since I purchased this from Thunder Road Guitars in Seattle.

    Best,
    Joe

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    Default Re: Lyon & Healy Style A, #2356 -- Looking for info

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bartl View Post
    Not having access to the Washburn books mentioned in Tim's post, I am wondering if someone can tell me the year for this L&H based on #2356 found on the label:

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    Took it to my local luthier, Marc Glickman, who said it was in great shape apart from needing some new frets up top and maybe a bit of work on the bridge and fingerboard to get the action "just right" ... It plays well as it is. Nevertheless, I'll leave it with Marc to do his magic following CMSA.

    I've wanted one of these forever, so while I'm now without a piggy bank, I'm in pig heaven all the same!

    Thanks for any help you can provide regarding the year.

    Joe
    better to smash the piggy bank and be in pig heaven than have a nice piggy bank

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    Default Re: Lyon & Healy Style A, #2356 -- Looking for info

    Congrats with the instrument - unless someone else has other data, #2356 is the highest serial number I have seen on Styles A before these were renamed to Style 5283 in 1925. Assuming this did not happen on January 1 (YMMV), your mandolin would date to 1925.

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    Default Re: Lyon & Healy Style A, #2356 -- Looking for info

    Hey Hubert and anyone else... so when did L&H start mentioning Washburn on their labels, not just Lyon & Healy and not the number styles for these carved mandolins? It is a bit confusing. I called mine a 5283 but it doesn't say that anywhere on the label, just says style A.

    From your book it looks like there was overlap on the labels.

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    Default Re: Lyon & Healy Style A, #2356 -- Looking for info

    Hi Jim - good question. First Washburn labels that I have listed:
    Style B #1393 - discontinued shortly thereafter (1486 is highest recorded number for a B)
    Style C #1456
    Style A #1650
    This would mean that the WB labels appeared approximately around the same time for each of these three styles, since they were made in (likely pre-assigned numbered) batches then, which may have been construed somewhat simultaneously. Style A #1650 therefore would not necessarily have been made later in time than Style C #1456.

    You rightly said there was an overlap. L&H used up its old labels while already using the WB marked ones. The last L&H label I have seen is on a Style A #1887.

    The highest number for the mandos labeled Styles A - C recorded is #2356. This would be around 1925, when the renaming into Styles 5283 and 5282 occurred.

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