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    Is there anything weird about this Mandolin ??

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1986-GIBS...oAAOSwsnVdiNCn

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    Default Re: Gibson A5G, 1986, Nashville, Derrington ??

    Yes, it is not a a Gibson. Everything about it is wrong.

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    Just no. Please no.
    Everything is weird about that mandolin.
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    There is a whole lot strange there but I'm trying to figure out why anybody would fake Charlie's signature.
    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    That looks like it might be a stripped down, refinished Asian import which has then been 'faked up' with the rather audacious label and poorly-done headstock. Shocking, actually.
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    Thanks Folks, I've reported it to Ebay. I wondered whether it was a broken A5G neck which had been given a body, but if the neck is wrong too..... !

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    There is a whole lot strange there but I'm trying to figure out why anybody would fake Charlie's signature.
    Provenance.
    Play it like you mean it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill McCall View Post
    Provenance.
    You hang for stealing a cow or a calf.
    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    For anyone that would like to see a real A5-G here is one that was sold at The Mandolin Store a while back.

    Here is another sold by The Mandolin Store. The previous one was a 1995, this is a 1996.

    Here is a 1996 that was sold on Reverb.
    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    You hang for stealing a cow or a calf.
    I’m stunned. There’s crime everywhere, even on the internet. What lengths will these knaves go to?

    Who knew?
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    Ebay haven't deleted it so if anyone else would like to report it that would perhap save someone from losing their money. Ta.

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    eBay is notorious for not taking these down. They make their money when it sells and the customer that buys it is the least of their concerns.
    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    We don't have many Gibson Mandolins in the UK. Every now and again a bunch of bogus listings appear on Ebay & I keep reporting them until they get removed. I suspect this listing is from someone who really thinks he's got a Gibson. It used to be possible to see who was bidding and let them know, but that's long gone.

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    As is the ability to easily report an issue to eBay. Over the years they have made it harder and harder to do that.
    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    I saw it and thought that the shape was wrong for Gibson in 1986. I reckoned that shape came in much later. Headstock looked almost acceptable but body shape definately looked wrong. The listing doesn't actually say what the neck repair was.

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    Highly unlikely there ever was any 'neck repair'. It is just a cover story to account for the fact that the neck is nothing like a genuine A5G neck!
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    Not sure what is going on. Seller has perfect feedback and has been on eBay for 9 years and only sells musical instruments.......so maybe he just doesn't know mandolins?

    Neck does show an obvious hairline crack coming off of the nut on both sides and coming to a point on the back of the neck. Looks like a pretty major crack that has been repaired well, IMHO. Check pics 8 & 9 and supersize.

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    Looks to me like the neck has been off. That's one reason for the sloppy binding glue there. Also looks like the neck angle may still be wrong. Wondering if the dovetail split off and the screw is used to hold the neck in place? Not saying this could, or could not be a Gibson. Just my observations. (A person I follow on FB just had to deal with a similar repair on a Gibson electric guitar).

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    The truss rod cover is in a funny place and I have not seen a flower pot before- only the fleur de lys motif- but the flower pot may be on some. It does not look "right" to my eye.

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    Default Re: Gibson A5G, 1986, Nashville, Derrington ??

    Taking a closer look at this thing I've come to the conclusion that it might have Gibson strings on it.
    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    Default Re: Gibson A5G, 1986, Nashville, Derrington ??

    My timeline might not be totally precise, but I am pretty sure that Gibson were not making A-5 mandolins in 1986. It would have been at least a year or two later before the factory in Bozeman was producing Gibson branded A-5s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham McDonald View Post
    My timeline might not be totally precise, but I am pretty sure that Gibson were not making A-5 mandolins in 1986. It would have been at least a year or two later before the factory in Bozeman was producing Gibson branded A-5s.
    The history according to Steve Carlson can be found here. There is more a few messages beyond that one.

    Either way this isn't an 80's Gibson as Charlie wouldn't have been signing them and everything else that's wrong with that puppy.
    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    Yep thats a "CHIBSON-or the like" It may even sound great but sure not no Derrington A-5! The woods look actually nice but there are way too many import mandolins that have Gibson inlayed and fake/forged labels! One best always do their homework on any instrument! For sure off evilbay!

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    Well, Ebay didn't remove it, somebody bought it. I hope they like it.

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    There was somebody selling a Regal tailpiece parlour guitar in the USA as a "lost" third party Gibson flat top. He said it was a Tonk Bros Fascinator. No known example exists but a catalogue photo is in Paul Fox's book. It is a typical off brand Gibson with a pin bridge- not a floating bridge and 14 frets- not 12- the only one made was the Montgomery Ward Model 681- which is also 14 frets. There may be others but they would be 14 frets. He insisted it was a Gibson but after a number of messages back and forth he sort of agreed. Anyway, he did not change the description and it was sold for something much higher than a Regal would make. I had seen one of those Regals on eBay- and Jake Wildwood has two on his site and it was in great order and went for less than $200.

    A month or so later- somebody in the UK who touts himself as a vintage Gibson expert blah blah had it for sale on eBay UK- the same BS attribution as a "Gibson Fascinator." I emailed him to tell him that I had alerted the seller in the USA and if this guy was a Gibson expert, then how come he could not see the obvious lack of conformity to all Gibson third party flat tops? The auction ended- it had not sold- it did not come up again but it was on his own website for a Gibson level price. He had blundered but somebody else was going to pay for his mistake- by paying four times what the guitar was worth.

    That's the bottom line, the Gibson name takes the value up into a different league and some poor fool who wants a Gibson will buy what appears to be a bit of a bargain- and that is what I presume has sold this mandolin- aspiration and ignorance- a dangerous combination.

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