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    Hello everyone. I wanted to give a very brief preview of my plans for the method. Iíve included 3 below. The MC version is basically universal clef but with the 15ma clef replaced, there is also a BC version for bass clef, and a G TC version for Octave Mandolin. Iím also considering doing one with tablature (gosh help us all, but especially some of the later pieces I could see it being helpful).

    With that said, fonts are not completely chosen, how Iím going to incorporate text is not quite done, so this is more asking for thoughts about the versions. Are the 3 versions wanted? Useful? Etc.

    Constructive Critiques are always welcome.

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    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails BIckford MC BC Page 10.pdf   BIckford MC Page 10.pdf   BIckford MC G TC Page 10.pdf  

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    what software are you using to do this?
    i have some of the Bickford already done in bass clef in Sibelius.

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    This is MuseScore. I used to use Sibelius and Finale, but since MuseScore 3, everything is so well put together, I really have no complaints.
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    Benjamin, if you are attending the Normal CMSA Convention feel very free to bring this material to the Mandocello Solo Music workshop.

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    That's great. It looks like p.10 but even better. Page numbering would be nice.

    Using the Bass clef, I think would be more in demand.
    It would force us who use transposed versions, to practice more Bass clef reading.

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    Thanks Wundo. Page numbers will definitely come in the final layouts. I think that’s why I’m going to be doing 4 versions of this. So that us low bass people can all get practice at whatever clef / tab works best for them. I certainly want it to be most inclusive.
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    A little update here. (P.S. I know the page numbers are off. Working backwards. They will be correct in the end)

    Just wanted everyone to see the text and layout of the music and get your thoughts. The more I read through this, the more out of date information I'm seeing so i want your opinions.

    A) Should we just abandon universal notation for C-Treble clef and 8VA marks where necessary
    B) Would anyone be disappointed if I updated the text to a more modern tone, removing sections that we no longer would need?

    I want to ensure, all musical examples would remain. I'd love information on what would be most useful for everyone.

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    Default Re: New Bickford Mando-cello Method

    You ask:

    A) Should we just abandon universal notation for C-Treble clef and 8VA marks where necessary

    Answer: Use Bass clef


    B) Would anyone be disappointed if I updated the text to a more modern tone, removing sections that we no longer would need?

    Answer: You are doing something that I started myself a couple of years ago but gave up because I didn't want to transcribe all that music onto a bass clef. I did start "updating" the text (more in my line). But now, I'm not so sure this is a good idea -- unless you are trying to sell the product to Mel Bay. For historical reasons, it may be worthwhile leaving the text as you find it as long as it is understandable and not misleading.

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    There will be a bass clef version, a g clef version (for octave), and a tab version minimum.

    I'm doing this more as a labor of love right now. The plans are to get something out there that people will find useful. The music is thankfully going pretty quickly so I'm already about 18 pages into this. Transposing it to bass clef will be the easiest and first one out. I plan on putting one out for optional donations, and maybe putting some of the other versions out there on an online download site (with very reasonable pricing).

    I just really think the original method explains the universal clef (so if people want it, now they can download it). As for the other versions, I think you're right bass clef and tab and g clef are probably the way to go. (I will have the original version in universal notation anyway so if someone really wants it, they can have it.
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    Thanks for doing this work!

    I have to admit that although I know that bass clef is the least awkward option and my own bass clef reading is slowly improving, I find it a lot easier to sightread octave treble clef and think of the mandocello as an octave mandolin with an additional low C. With Musescore it's easy enought to produce both versions, I would think.

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    musescore and open office for this work. Why not have it entirely done with freeware! Actually open office because the musescore plugin is a lifesaver!! It's sped up the process tremendously.
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    to give an update pgs. 75-end are complete. most of the first 10 pages are complete also. i started working back to front since I figured those would have the most music to transcribe. if anyone would like to proofread for me, it would be appreciated
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    I would be able to do some proofing AFTER the CMSA convention (early October). I work with doctoral dissertations so I do a lot of proof reading and editing, but I see a lull in the next couple months.
    I would like to have a sampling of your work for the Solo Mandocello workshop, but I do have to ask about copyright considerations: I see a lot of discussion on this matter in another Bickford-related thread. Have you looked into ownership and rights? I'm all for getting things out there and in modern player-friendly versions (bass clef! bass clef!) but I want to respect other people's work--including yours.
    Thanks for this labor of love.

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    I, too, can help proofread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Imhoff View Post
    I would be able to do some proofing AFTER the CMSA convention (early October). I work with doctoral dissertations so I do a lot of proof reading and editing, but I see a lull in the next couple months.
    I would like to have a sampling of your work for the Solo Mandocello workshop, but I do have to ask about copyright considerations: I see a lot of discussion on this matter in another Bickford-related thread. Have you looked into ownership and rights? I'm all for getting things out there and in modern player-friendly versions (bass clef! bass clef!) but I want to respect other people's work--including yours.
    Thanks for this labor of love.
    The official date of this method is copyright 1913 which would put it in the public domain. I think the mandolin method is 1920 but there's questions about the validity of what version that is because it's been reprinted. But I think that all are fine.

    If you'd like some pre-work for the convention, I'll send you some stuff. I've got 1-16 ish done and 73-end done. It's still only in universal but if you want bass clef, I can look at doing it.
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    Update... I’m about halfway done with the book. Pages 1-30 and 71 on are all done. Question, page 32 is missing from the Mando-cello method in the copies we have, Does anyone have a physical copy that they could snap a picture of that page for me please. It looks like it’s all positions, perhaps it’s just a graph of the positions missing.

    Thanks everyone for your support,
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    Hi, I am new to the octave mandolin and to the forum. I am very interested in seeing the finished result of all your work. I am also happy to proof read if you need more volunteers. Treble clef is my comfort zone though my wife is a cellist so she can read anything!
    Do you have an estimated finish date and how will it be released?
    Thanks,
    Dean.

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    I found it.Click image for larger version. 

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    I am putting together the final materials for the Solo Mandocello Music session at CMSA (next week!). So If you want to send me any early drafts I could at least show them (not distribute or publish) to a room full of enthusiastic mandocello players. These would be people accustomed to reading bass clef, but many read treble or "universal" clef. Thanks for your work on this project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Imhoff View Post
    I am putting together the final materials for the Solo Mandocello Music session at CMSA (next week!). So If you want to send me any early drafts I could at least show them (not distribute or publish) to a room full of enthusiastic mandocello players. These would be people accustomed to reading bass clef, but many read treble or "universal" clef. Thanks for your work on this project.

    Jim
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    Hey Jim, Great news. I've basically got 80% of the book done... Down to pages 52-65 left to write up. all the text is done, so now it's just musical examples taking up the time. I'll send you a rough, universal clef version of pages 66 on for now. You can let them know that there will be a bass clef and tab version of the new ones. You don't have to print out everything either. Up to you.

    Thanks!

    I do have exciting news on my next project also, but I think that's going to be posted in the classical one. Keep your eyes peeled. Big Mando's will be an important part of it.
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    Awe heck, I'm feeling generous.

    Remember, the page numbers and layouts aren't done yet, and there's no proof reading yet. So there may be errors, but it's close to what the layouts and fonts will be.

    Let me know your thoughts.

    Thanks.
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