Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 31

Thread: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

  1. #1
    Registered User Charles E.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Saint Augustine Beach FL
    Posts
    4,401

    Default Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    I have no idea who this person is or what the event was but she clearly is no expert on mandolins.





    Looks like an A- Jr with non original pick guard clamp. I think she is off by about 6K.
    Charley

    A bunch of stuff with four strings

  2. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Charles E. For This Useful Post:


  3. #2
    Confused... or?
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Over the Hudson & thru the woods from NYC
    Posts
    2,290

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    Yeah but... she makes up for it by sounding authoritative. Guess I'm gonna have to buy white gloves to play my '17 A-1!
    - Ed

    "What our group lacks in musicianship is offset by our willingness to humiliate ourselves." - David Hochman

  4. The following members say thank you to EdHanrahan for this post:


  5. #3
    Martin Stillion mrmando's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    11,933

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    Well, it could be a 1928 or later A0, in which case the pickguard attachment could be original.

    It does surprise me from time to time how woefully ignorant antique dealers can be about musical instruments. (Antique dealers tend to use the word "piece"; instrument dealers don't. Never trust the word of any "expert" who calls a musical instrument a "piece.")

    Even worse IMHO than the inaccurate valuation and the pontificating is the racism inherent in her claim that immigrants played mandolins because they were "easier for them to play," as if immigrants somehow had less musical skill than others.
    Last edited by mrmando; Sep-09-2019 at 3:06pm.
    Emando.com: More than you wanted to know about electric mandolins.

    Notorious: My Celtic CD--listen & buy!

    Donaldson • Wood • Thormahlen • Andersen • Old Wave • Bacorn • Yanuziello • Fender • National • Gibson • Franke • Fuchs • Aceto • Three Hungry Pit Bulls

  6. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to mrmando For This Useful Post:


  7. #4
    Registered User Charles E.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Saint Augustine Beach FL
    Posts
    4,401

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    Thanks Martin, if it is a late 20's A-O, would the tailpiece be original?
    I thought it was funny that she valued an A-4 a few years earlier for far less then this one.
    Charley

    A bunch of stuff with four strings

  8. #5
    Registered User grassrootphilosopher's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    1,670

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    Quote Originally Posted by mrmando View Post
    It does surprise me from time to time how woefully ignorant antique dealers can be about musical instruments. (Antique dealers tend to use the word "piece"; instrument dealers don't. Never trust the word of any "expert" who calls a musical instrument a "piece.")

    Even worse IMHO than the inaccurate valuation and the pontificating is the racism inherent in her claim that immigrants played mandolins because they were "easier to play," as if immigrants somehow had less musical skill than others.
    Great observation. Letดs get the mind rambling... Chinese immigrants are able to play the mandolin whereas african immigrants have the banjo reserved for themselves... the spanish have the guitar and the italians (Stradivari, Guarnieri et al.) have the violins/fiddles... whereas the Scotts/Irish have the bagpipes, the Germans have the grunts and the Gauls have the war harps.

    Boy howdy does that make me some politically incorrect cuss. Iดm not even an immigrant, I do play some instruments that would have me to change skin color twice over, while I donดt grunt...

    But... if she getดs that mandolin sold for that price... more power for the seller (if he/she gets the better part of the sales price).
    Olaf

  9. The following members say thank you to grassrootphilosopher for this post:


  10. #6
    Martin Stillion mrmando's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    11,933

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles E. View Post
    Thanks Martin, if it is a late 20's A-O, would the tailpiece be original?
    Boy howdy, that is a conundrum, ain't it? There aren't many A0s out there. I found one for one of our orchestra members years ago and she played it for a long time, but she's no longer with the orchestra and I don't recall what kind of tailpiece it had.

    Here, though, is one from the Archive with the cloud tailpiece and the screw-on pickguard support, just like the instrument in the video: http://www.mandolinarchive.com/gibson/serial/86740

    I see that the Dr. Lori instrument has got a headstock logo in the correct position for 1928, strengthening the case for this being an A0. A Junior would have a plain headstock.

    I thought it was funny that she valued an A-4 a few years earlier for far less then this one.
    Even antique dealers should know that a sunburst finish is more valuable than a plain brown one. Shouldn't they?

    In any case, if she's seen only two Gibson mandolins in 4–5 years, she is quite obviously well outside of her bailiwick here ... a fact that a more modest "expert" might have seen fit to acknowledge.
    Last edited by mrmando; Sep-09-2019 at 3:27pm.
    Emando.com: More than you wanted to know about electric mandolins.

    Notorious: My Celtic CD--listen & buy!

    Donaldson • Wood • Thormahlen • Andersen • Old Wave • Bacorn • Yanuziello • Fender • National • Gibson • Franke • Fuchs • Aceto • Three Hungry Pit Bulls

  11. #7
    Registered User Charles E.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Saint Augustine Beach FL
    Posts
    4,401

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    Thanks Martin, looks like you nailed it.
    Charley

    A bunch of stuff with four strings

  12. #8
    Registered User John Rosett's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Missoula, MT
    Posts
    1,905

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    The opening bid on Gibson mandolins on Ebay just went up again...
    "it's not in bad taste, if it's funny" - john waters

  13. #9
    Kelley Mandolins Skip Kelley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    2,827

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    She really has no clue but, she thinks she does!

  14. The following members say thank you to Skip Kelley for this post:


  15. #10
    Registered User T.D.Nydn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Upstate N.Y.
    Posts
    1,187

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    This person is a complete fraud,,I doubt very much she's even a "doctor".

  16. #11
    Registered User William Smith's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Sugar Grove,PA
    Posts
    2,583
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    Hey I want to see the video of another maybe know it all Dr.!, but it doesn't show up on my computer? Why?

  17. #12
    Registered User Timbofood's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Kalamazoo, MI.
    Posts
    6,997

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    Quote Originally Posted by William Smith View Post
    Hey I want to see the video of another maybe know it all Dr.!, but it doesn't show up on my computer? Why?
    No, you don’t, she’s not as well versed as she seems to think she is.
    Timothy F. Lewis
    "If brains was lard, that boy couldn't grease a very big skillet" J.D. Clampett

  18. The following members say thank you to Timbofood for this post:


  19. #13
    Martin Stillion mrmando's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    11,933

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    If you can't see the embedded video, you can try it on YouTube:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=uY2_sR-ERU4
    Emando.com: More than you wanted to know about electric mandolins.

    Notorious: My Celtic CD--listen & buy!

    Donaldson • Wood • Thormahlen • Andersen • Old Wave • Bacorn • Yanuziello • Fender • National • Gibson • Franke • Fuchs • Aceto • Three Hungry Pit Bulls

  20. #14

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    I thought a "piece" was a gun or another weapon. Some say that the word is short for "Peacemaker" the famous Colt.

    As others have pointed out, it is a circa 1930 A-0 with a cloud tailpiece and it looks all original and far less valuable than the estimate given. Just be thankful, this woman is not a civil engineer building bridges.

  21. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to NickR For This Useful Post:


  22. #15

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    You feel bad for the guy thinking he has a mandolin worth $7K when it is worth 1/4 or less? And then we wonder where people come up with ridiculous prices on instruments for sale.

  23. #16
    Registered User f5loar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Salisbury,NC
    Posts
    6,379

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    She needs to have her appraiser certification revoked and needs to go back to selling used cars.

  24. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to f5loar For This Useful Post:


  25. #17
    Registered User Eric Platt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts
    767

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    Oh my. After watching it through (with mute on) sure looks to me like a late '20s Jr. The headstock logo appears more the painted silver "The Gibson" rather than the inlay. Although if someone disagrees, I won't object. Not so sure on the tuners, though, which should be the brass plate models from New York.

    Definitely off on the price. Silly off, in fact.
    1935 Gibson A50, 2018 Collings MT, 1929 Gibson A Jr., 1941 Strad-O-Lin, 2018 Eastman MDO-305, 1950's Californian, 2015 Ashbury Style E OM
    http://ericplatt.weebly.com/
    https://www.facebook.com/LauluAika/
    https://www.lauluaika.com/

  26. #18

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    A similar thing happens occasionally at pawn shops -- they get a nice instrument but overprice it due to lack of that kind of specific knowledge. (sometimes a small town pawn shop is the ONLY appraiser for that region...) It used to happen more often, say 20-30 years ago, but the internet has made it easier for most people to look stuff up.

    Years ago, I heard an interesting response to the question of "what is my instrument worth?" -- They said it all depends if you are buying, selling or want an appraisal for insurance purposes -- those are all very different values.

    I forgot where I heard it, possibly from Gruhn......

  27. #19
    Registered User Tom C's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Warwick, NY
    Posts
    3,892

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Platt View Post
    Oh my. After watching it through (with mute on) sure looks to me like a late '20s Jr. The headstock logo appears more the painted silver "The Gibson" rather than the inlay. Although if someone disagrees, I won't object. Not so sure on the tuners, though, which should be the brass plate models from New York.

    Definitely off on the price. Silly off, in fact.


    I agree and even commented on that page.

  28. #20
    Rush Burkhardt Rush Burkhardt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Towson, MD
    Posts
    277

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    "Not to rain on your parade, Dr. Lori; perhaps some general educational information to help! From this view, that 20's Gibson A-Jr., even assuming top condition, is worth right around $1000 (generously). In that same category, an A-model, A-2, A-4, with the extra binding and inlay, might bring $2-3 K. With documentation, (internal labeling) proving it to be from the Lloyd Loar era ('22-'24), an A (with a snakehead head-stock), might bring $4-6 K."

    People like Dr. Lori, who venture into unfamiliar areas, cause more harm than good to the overall community! It's easy to take some initiative and hold them accountable with some general, more accurate, information!
    Rush Burkhardt
    Towson, MD


    Free opinions are worth exactly what you pay for them!

  29. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Rush Burkhardt For This Useful Post:


  30. #21
    Registered User Timbofood's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Kalamazoo, MI.
    Posts
    6,997

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Mando View Post
    A similar thing happens occasionally at pawn shops -- they get a nice instrument but overprice it due to lack of that kind of specific knowledge. (sometimes a small town pawn shop is the ONLY appraiser for that region...) It used to happen more often, say 20-30 years ago, but the internet has made it easier for most people to look stuff up.

    Years ago, I heard an interesting response to the question of "what is my instrument worth?" -- They said it all depends if you are buying, selling or want an appraisal for insurance purposes -- those are all very different values.

    I forgot where I heard it, possibly from Gruhn......
    I have not only heard that “Value” scale and even used it more than once, both in instrument sales as well as jewelry! It tends to make the person on the other side of the item pause!
    Timothy F. Lewis
    "If brains was lard, that boy couldn't grease a very big skillet" J.D. Clampett

  31. The following members say thank you to Timbofood for this post:


  32. #22

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    Well that was really painful. This is a version of the 'on the internet nobody knows you're a dog' problem. Nobody knows the depth of this appraiser's ignorance when it comes to musical instruments. Sheesh...
    BradKlein
    Senior Producer, Twangbox
    Twangbox Videos

  33. The following members say thank you to BradKlein for this post:


  34. #23
    Registered User Timbofood's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Kalamazoo, MI.
    Posts
    6,997

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    Quote Originally Posted by BradKlein View Post
    Well that was really painful. This is a version of the 'on the internet nobody knows you're a dog' problem. Nobody knows the depth of this appraiser's ignorance when it comes to musical instruments. Sheesh...
    You bet!
    It makes me wonder what her credentials are? Or was she simply available and her white gloves were clean?
    Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should!
    Timothy F. Lewis
    "If brains was lard, that boy couldn't grease a very big skillet" J.D. Clampett

  35. #24
    Capt. E Capt. E's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Austin, Texas
    Posts
    2,861

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    Even worse is the person that proudly shows you their latest "steal" and you have to tell them they were cheated.
    Jammin' south of the river
    '20 Gibson A-2
    Stromberg-Voisinet Tenor Guitar
    Penny Whistle
    My albums: http://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/album.php?u=7616

  36. #25
    Registered User timmandolin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    Idaho
    Posts
    7

    Default Re: Valuing a Gibson by Dr Lori

    "I'd say that's worth, aahhhh, $7,000. You can tell by the Gibson craftsmanship." palm to face. ugh.

    Someone is going to get ripped off by Dr. Lori, unfortunately.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •