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    Well, if you're buying an instrument for any other reason than you like the sound or the fit or any other personal advantage, why are you buying at all? Isn't it about the music? You play what you love, can afford or what you have available. Most of the rest is moot. I bought one instrument out of my price range because it was a spectacular instrument. Nobody I know (except the few who are fellow mandolinists) even knows the name of the instrument that I play, but that doesn't stop me from playing it and the fact that, even when I'm gigging out, nobody knows what a snakehead is also has nothing to do with why I bought the instrument. To tell the truth, I stopped caring what other people were imagining about me when I was about 25, so a question like this just makes no sense to me. I mean, why not? who cares?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAK View Post
    If you don't perform in public...
    Public performance has got nothing to do with it. Audiences are not staffed with instrument experts, so you can take your laminated cheapo to Carnegie Hall and raise everybody out of their seats with applause if you can play it well enough.
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    If you don't perform in public, why would you want a Gibson Lloyd Loar, Gilchrist, Red Diamond, or any other high-end/high-cost mandolin?
    Why do people want anything they desire? Even if you aren't a performer, why not have a high quality mandolin if you can afford it? I think we should allow people to do that.

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    As the OP (original poster) of this thread I agree 101% with the comments. Now I just have to convince my wife....
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    Aside from the personal joy the person probably derives from playing (and probably bragging about) the instrument, there's also the very real investment side of instruments.

    Consider that most owners of Stradivarius violins often loan them out to an artist they admire / can play the instrument better. These people aren't buying it for the person they loan it to - they are buying it because it's an investment that benefits them in multiple ways (the instrument appreciates in value, the loan can be a donation reducing taxes, the prestige associated with owning and loaning the instrument - including special access to the artist they loan it to, and etc)

    Just like really fancy cars that live in the garage and never get driven - but sell for $100k+, some folks park their cash in high end instruments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAK View Post
    As the OP (original poster) of this thread I agree 101% with the comments. Now I just have to convince my wife....
    You may have better luck with us than her !
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    Personally I feel that any and every instrument no matter the quality should be played, I've heard this often "this is my beater mandolin/ or guitar, I take to festivals, camping etc...I leave my best one at home!" To me that's nuts, they were made to be played! I play my high end stuff out all the time, be it gigs, camping, at home on the back porch etc. Yeah sure I'm a little on edge if I'm playing somewhere sketchy but why would I or anyone want to play say a Kentucky if you own a 24 Loar F-5? I play my Loar and Ferns out all the time, that's what their for, enjoy them! And they will enjoy you as how else can a fine instrument talk and express itself if its at home shut in the case? I don't play my stuff out to be braggart or shove it in others faces that can't afford something fine like a Loar or Fern, I do it for me as I love history and fine old mandolins!
    Some people do just collect for the investment side and don't play them. Or play them very little as not to inflict any finish wear, fret wear etc....If that's what your into so be it. But as long as I have some mighty fine instruments you can bet I'll be playing them whenever and wherever I please! I know someone real well that has some of the best vintage Gibson mandolins, pre-war Martin's-mid 30's "Bone", pre-war Gibson flat heads/Florentine converts etc... and he goes around playing a higher end Kentucky F-5, plays a newer Recording King banjo, and I don't even know what lower level "to him" D-28 copy? I don't get it! Life's short-Pick hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Smith View Post
    Personally I feel that any and every instrument no matter the quality should be played, I've heard this often "this is my beater mandolin/ or guitar, I take to festivals, camping etc...I leave my best one at home!" To me that's nuts, they were made to be played! I play my high end stuff out all the time, be it gigs, camping, at home on the back porch etc. Yeah sure I'm a little on edge if I'm playing somewhere sketchy but why would I or anyone want to play say a Kentucky if you own a 24 Loar F-5? I play my Loar and Ferns out all the time, that's what their for, enjoy them! And they will enjoy you as how else can a fine instrument talk and express itself if its at home shut in the case? I don't play my stuff out to be braggart or shove it in others faces that can't afford something fine like a Loar or Fern, I do it for me as I love history and fine old mandolins!
    Some people do just collect for the investment side and don't play them. Or play them very little as not to inflict any finish wear, fret wear etc....If that's what your into so be it. But as long as I have some mighty fine instruments you can bet I'll be playing them whenever and wherever I please! I know someone real well that has some of the best vintage Gibson mandolins, pre-war Martin's-mid 30's "Bone", pre-war Gibson flat heads/Florentine converts etc... and he goes around playing a higher end Kentucky F-5, plays a newer Recording King banjo, and I don't even know what lower level "to him" D-28 copy? I don't get it! Life's short-Pick hard.
    I play my so called "high end" mandolins all the time ! No, I don't take these out around the campfire ! They are played at home with special exceptions at special gigs, etc ! I have four mandolins and all get equal playing time. I enjoy them all just selective as to the playing location ! Sorry, I see no reason for ME to do otherwise ! Your same argument (opinion) can be read over at the Corvetteforum !! It seems most corvette owners would rather wash, polish and admire them than drive them ! I fall into this group !
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    Quote Originally Posted by yankees1 View Post
    I play my so called "high end" mandolins all the time ! No, I don't take these out around the campfire ! They are played at home with special exceptions at special gigs, etc ! I have four mandolins and all get equal playing time. I enjoy them all just selective as to the playing location ! Sorry, I see no reason for ME to do otherwise ! Your same argument (opinion) can be read over at the Corvetteforum !! It seems most corvette owners would rather wash, polish and admire them than drive them ! I fall into this group !
    To each is own my friend but yeah man if I have them I'll play them but like I said that's me, I enjoy all that I have and will play them wherever I want and do, it don't bother me as that's what their for but I can see some peoples choice if they want to keep the goods at home and rub down with a baby cloth, no biggie, for me though I enjoy playing what I do, what was that old saying that relates to cars "Porsche accept no substitute" maybe I have the type of ride confused but to each is own "Loar accept no substitutes"-I may think twice the next time I play a bar gig with the stage wrapped in chicken wire-LoL I don't believe me or Lloyd would like that gig!

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    Really, it simply comes down to “How much do you want one?” And don’t let anyone (aside form one’s significant other) tell you otherwise!
    Not having an extra hidden sack of doubloons anywhere to purchase the mandolin I’ve wanted for a very long time I can honestly say that playing a truly excellently built instrument is a joy!
    I was truly privileged to have been offered the opportunity to play Bill Halsey’s prototype for an extended period of time. To be sure, I was flattered and maybe a little intimidated but, having known Bill for as long as I have and the trust he obviously had in me, I played the socks off that thing for six or seven months! I put it in any pickers hands who expressed an interest, professional and “hobbyist” as well. That may have been some of the most pleasant picking I’ve ever had. I love my personal mandolin just fine but, playing that was an experience I shall never forget!
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    Good instruments are actually pretty inexpensive compared to fancy cars, trips or boats.
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    I don't see how my neighbor can justify his $30,000 McIntosh stereo system since he only plays it in his home.

    Here's a little secret from someone that's performed at a multitude of venues on drums, guitar, bass and mandolin perhaps a thousand times. That last little 2% of sound quality that I spent untold extra thousands of dollars to get is something that only I can hear, sometimes a band mate or two and sometimes none of us can hear the difference due to bad venue acoustics. The audience virtually never hears it.
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    I think you've hit the nail on the head, Greg. We notice these things, but not many others. That still makes it worth it to have the best instrument you can afford to enjoy. I am the most important member of my (very small) audience because I play to entertain myself first and foremost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAK View Post
    As the OP (original poster) of this thread I agree 101% with the comments. Now I just have to convince my wife....
    I think you might have a better chance of finding a cheap Gibson Loar than convincing your wife . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAK View Post
    If you don't perform in public, why would you want a Gibson Lloyd Loar, Gilchrist, Red Diamond, or any other high-end/high-cost mandolin?
    Maybe they have crippling stage fright
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    Convincing points for wife:

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    Dear, Joe is selling his bass boat......

    Dear, I think I need to take up golf........

    Dear, I need to sail across the Pacific solo in a 28 ft. Sailboat......

    Dear, dirt track midget racing is my destiny, but.....
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    I so fit this thread... I just bought a used Collings F5 last week, and I dont play mando! Yet.

    And while I used to play guitar professionally back in the 90s, I havnt gigged in 2 years. Not playing outside of my little home studio at the moment.

    With that said, most of my 20+ instruments are high end: PRS guitars, 3 of the 4 Ks in Ukes, European solid wood upright bass, etc...I like the ease of play-ability, the beauty of a fine crafted instrument, the tone you tend to get from the higher end instruments... I have become a instrument snob, it's true. My bank account may hate it... but, when I play them, it puts a smile on my face.

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    I much prefer the company of a fine mandolin over the public.
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    In addition to playing mandolin, I collect antique Venitian glass beads. I never wear them and rarely do I show them to anyone. They serve absolutely no practical purpose. But, they bring me great joy as examples of outstanding artistic craftmanship with a fascinating history. I am sure many of the present keepers of Loar instruments feel a similar affinity to their instruments.
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    I will indeed. My apologies for kind of a rough bit of humor. Not being married and having no children I sometimes forget myself. It will NOT happen again. Sorry. Thanks for the reminder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAK View Post
    As the OP (original poster) of this thread I agree 101% with the comments. Now I just have to convince my wife....
    LOL. Well if it is a home budget debate I suggest that you agree to set aside each month what she pays for shoes and the hair dresser into a mandolin fund? Men and women often have different priorities but that does not mean they are not of equal importance?
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    If you don't perform in public, why would you want a Gibson Lloyd Loar, Gilchrist, Red Diamond, or any other high-end/high-cost mandolin?
    One of the pieces of advice that people give when buying a first mandolin is "get the best instrument you can afford". Having a higher end mandolin increases the experience in my experience. Even for those of us who may never "play out".

    My current mandolin is way more than I need but everytime i open the case I fall in love again!!

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