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    Default Gibson Shipping Ledger - November 29, 1951

    Courtesy Joe Spann to the Cafe a few minutes ago. That first entry is Monroe's mandolin. Click image for enlarged version.

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    Now thatīs a fun geek fact.

    So we may assume that this is the fabled repair entry that caused the longtime estrangement between BM and Gibson.

    As I remember it from my Bluegrass history class, BM sent off the mandolin for some repair (new frets etc.) but didnīt get the mandolin back in a timely fashion. When he got it back it sported a "makeover". That angered the father of bluegrass so much that he gouged out the Gibson logo and tried to scratch off the finish makeover. This incident took place when Sonny Osborne was in the band (around Sept. 1952).
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    Interesting indeed. So if they logged it in Nov. 29, 1951 and Sonny remembers him getting it back that would be at the earliest July, 1952 this would mean they kept for 8 months, possibly 9 months. Monroe was not the original owner, so it did not get preferred treatment, so 8 to 9 months sounds about right to me for that time for Gibson to do any type repair, major or minor. To Monroe that was a long time and he has been quoted saying they kept it way too long. Monroe would have used his 1945 Epiphone or the 1936 F7 during this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f5loar View Post
    Interesting indeed. ... Monroe would have used his 1945 Epiphone or the 1936 F7 during this time.
    More geekery...

    We know that BM used an F-4 for the Big Mon, Monroeīs Hornpipe recordings in ... 1958 (did I get the date right?).

    Is there any "eye witness testimony" what BM used in the "estrangement repair time" in 1951. If so, who was it and what was reported which instrument BM used?

    Repeat question (out of lack of knowledge): What happened to the Epiphone and the F-7? Did BM sell them, if so when, to whom etc.?
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    Apart from the fact that Bill Monroe loved that mandolin, would fans have been disappointed to not see it at the time. One of the reasons Thile is great to see is seeing him play one of the Loars. But times and interests were different then. Or were they?

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    The Gibson shipping ledger shows the date that the mandolin was RETURNED to Monroe. Not the date it arrived at Gibson. It is reasonable to assume that the F-5 was at Gibson waiting to be repaired during most of the year 1951. Kendle Music Company was the Gibson dealer located in Nashville, Tennessee at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f5loar View Post
    Interesting indeed. So if they logged it in Nov. 29, 1951 and Sonny remembers him getting it back that would be at the earliest July, 1952 this would mean they kept for 8 months, possibly 9 months. Monroe was not the original owner, so it did not get preferred treatment, so 8 to 9 months sounds about right to me for that time for Gibson to do any type repair, major or minor. To Monroe that was a long time and he has been quoted saying they kept it way too long. Monroe would have used his 1945 Epiphone or the 1936 F7 during this time.

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    Default Re: Gibson Shipping Ledger - November 29, 1951

    Exactly, this is a shipping ledger not a receiving log.
    This is kind of extreme geekery! I love it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Spann View Post
    The Gibson shipping ledger shows the date that the mandolin was RETURNED to Monroe. Not the date it arrived at Gibson. It is reasonable to assume that the F-5 was at Gibson waiting to be repaired during most of the year 1951. Kendle Music Company was the Gibson dealer located in Nashville, Tennessee at that time.

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    This image has been posted a few times on Mac's Bluegrass Era on Facebook and it is labeled "1949: BLUEGRASS BOYS: JACK THOMPSON, CHUBBY WISE, MAC WISEMAN, RUDY LYLE, WITH "THE GREAT BILL"". I have always questioned the date (literally) as Monroe's F5 isn't in the picture. Maybe, just maybe they kept it longer than 8 or 9 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Lewis View Post
    Apart from the fact that Bill Monroe loved that mandolin, would fans have been disappointed to not see it at the time. One of the reasons Thile is great to see is seeing him play one of the Loars. But times and interests were different then. Or were they?

    ? Or were they?
    I doubt many fans would have known he wasn't playing his regular mandolin. More people heard him on the radio and on records than ever saw him in person.
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    That's Monroe's 1936 F-7 in that photo Mike. I don't know where the Epiphone is but F5-Loar "Tom" and myself have talked about it and its in the wind or destroyed? Very neat info thanks to Joe S.

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    Default Re: Gibson Shipping Ledger - November 29, 1951

    I know what it is but in relationship to this conversation, if Bill wasn't using his F5 in 1949 then where was it? Maybe at Gibson awaiting repairs that didn't complete until it was shipped back in 1951. The other answer might be it just wasn't playable anymore at that time and needed to be repaired.

    That is assuming that picture was really taken in 1949.
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    I’ve posted this before but it would be GREAT if the original shipping records could be made public.

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    Default Re: Gibson Shipping Ledger - November 29, 1951

    The story I heard was it was returned with the heavy lacquer finish they would have been doing in 50-51 and thats why he scraped the finish off and gouged the name out.

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    Default Re: Gibson Shipping Ledger - November 29, 1951

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Spann View Post
    The Gibson shipping ledger shows the date that the mandolin was RETURNED to Monroe. Not the date it arrived at Gibson. It is reasonable to assume that the F-5 was at Gibson waiting to be repaired during most of the year 1951. Kendle Music Company was the Gibson dealer located in Nashville, Tennessee at that time.

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    okay, got it but that makes Sonny's story a bit "off" on the dates. You would think he did the self destruction to the F5 as soon as he got it back and not many months later. Or Sonny was not with Monroe in the band when he saw it happen as Sonny's first time in the band officially is July 1952.

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