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    Bill Monroe having been big into downstrokes, I’m wondering about the parts in Rawhide in measures 19 through 26 in the attached screenshot (from the TablEdit transcription at Mandozine). Would you advise applying standard pick stroke theory to those strums, or how do you play it? In measure 19, with three upstrokes?


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    Default Re: Rawhide pick stroke advice sought

    It feels nature to me to, as you say, "appy standard pick stroke theory" -- keep the right hand in constant motion. That said, I don't know how Mr. Monroe did it.
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    I play Rawhide,and I don't use any downstrokes,I don't hardly use downsrokes in any of my playing,,in Rawhide,those double stops,use a loose wrist and a gallop type of rythm,it's a fast tune,played sometimes so fast that using downsrokes seems almost impossible at those speeds,I've seen Monroe play this tune,and I have no idea what he was actually doing,,

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    Well, if you use downstrokes the pick has to come up to make the next downstroke so you are still using the steady dududud etc. And if you are using the upstroke the pick has to go down to make the next one so once again you are doing a dudud etc as Bill, Reischman, Marshall etc all do.
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    Why not listen to a recording of Rawhide, and then do whatever sounds like that? Some things need micromanagement, some don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philphool View Post
    Why not listen to a recording of Rawhide, and then do whatever sounds like that?
    Because it’s so fast I have no idea what’s going on.

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    Here is a video of Bill playing Rawhide and his right hand is visible. I see a lot of up and down. I don’t see much of the all downstrokes technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian B View Post
    Because it’s so fast I have no idea what’s going on.
    Play a recording of it through a tool like Audacity and slow it down.
    Play it like you mean it.

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    In youtube, you can click on the little gear symbol in the lower right edge of the video and slow it down to 50% or 75% of the normal speed. I find it a big help for learning tunes or techniques.
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    Cafe member David Mold did this slowed down version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill McCall View Post
    Play a recording of it through a tool like Audacity and slow it down.
    Unfortunately that app isn’t available for the iPad I use, but a great idea that I feel pretty stupid for not having thought of! Thanks.

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    Default Re: Rawhide pick stroke advice sought

    Use standard alternating picking technique applied to this syncopated measure. Or in other words...Down, Up, Up, Up, down.

    Bill is well known for his downstrokes but most of the quick instrumentals that are non-blues progression based tend to use alternating picking. Hope this helps.

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    Just whip it like a rented mule.

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    Default Re: Rawhide pick stroke advice sought

    We all know that Mike Compton has studied Bill Monroe's music and right hand rhythms like nobody else. I subscribe to his Peghead Nation series but he hasn't yet taught Rawhide. He might be available for online lessons if you want to hear his take on it. I would think he is probably the definitive word on how to play Rawhide. Him and Skip Gorman.

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    Rawhide is in the Mike Compton Peghead Nation courses. Not sure if it is a recent addition or not. Just signed up for the Mike Compton course and have been working on Rawhide. Pretty cool, you have access to the tab and notation, and him taking you through it step by step.

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    Default Re: Rawhide pick stroke advice sought

    Find out where things start(pick stroke) then, learn where the TUNE drives you. It’s not all downstroke at all, it’s a shuffle, that Bill did in his style, it is a recurring “stylistic” theme. Read less, listen more, find the shuffle. The stroke in “Rawhide” and “Wheel Hoss” and even “Sailor’s Hornpipe” have the same drive.
    When you figure out where “1” is, a lot of things fall in to place....well, a little bit more clearly. Sometimes.
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