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    Question Flatwound strings for 17'' Mandola

    Hello Mandolin Cafe!

    my name is Amos, I am from Bavaria and new here

    I have that Mandola that I love. When I bought it, it had Thomastik 174 medium strings on it. This set is intended to be tuned to GDAE (octave mandolin).

    They had a beautiful tone and a pleasant feeling under the fingers. But I found the tension way too soft, especially the G string which was also quite silent. This can be because the scale is only 16.9'' (43cm) and somewhat shorter than the 45cm for which the strings are designed?

    In this useful discussion: https://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/t...andola-Strings, Bratsche describes similar observations.

    I also wanted to try CGDA tuning anyways, so I bought a set of D'Addario's EJ76 mandola phosphor bronze set medium. Definitely good strings and all, more brilliant and louder at a smaller price, but not what I need: I prefer the dark and soft tone that the Thomastik had, also I find the feeling of the corrugated string not so pleasent under my left hand and I don't like the sound it makes when the fingers slide over the strings.

    The next thing I tried was to put the Thomastik 174 back and just tune them up to CGDA. The resulting tone is great: acceptably loud and still a soft, dark tone. No more clapping sound when the too soft strings in the GDAE tuning hit the fretboard. BUT: One E-string broke when tunig it up to A so I had to replace them with the A-strings from the EJ76 set. It doesn't fit together at all. Another disadvantage of tuning the TI 174 up is that the tension is rather heavy now, such that it takes some effort to play and the chords wouldn't go so smoothly.

    Now I would like to ask you for some advice what I can try next. I have some thoughts and would be happy if you can tell me what you think about them ...

    • If I get the TI 174 set with heavy gauge (in GDAE tuning) - does it make a big difference? Can I expect that the G string is then significantly louder and everything is less flabby compared to the medium gauge?
    • Or, thinking the opposite direction, if I try the light gauge (TI 174w) and carefully tune it up to CGDA again, maybe the resulting tension is more suitable and the E-string wouldn't break ...
    • Yesterday, I learned in this forum that Thomastik also has a CGDA set, the 164. However, it is designed for shorter instruments. Can I put it on my mandola? I measured all relevant lengths and put them on the photo below. Will it then have a super tight tension again?
    • I was thinking about just completing my TI 174 medium set with a new pair of E strings (to replace the broken) and then tune the instrument to something between GDAE and CGDA, say, BbFCG. I play mostly by ear anyways and would "only" need to relearn where on the Fretboard which chord is located. However, I would prefer a solution with CGDA because I also have a cello and it is convenient to have both instruments tuned the same.
    • Do you have any other idea what I can try, like another set of flatwound strings that you can recommend for my purpose?


    Any feedback is appreciated.

    Sorry for the long post ... have a wonderful day!

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    Default Re: Flatwound strings for 17'' Mandola

    I can't comment on the TI's, but:

    * The scale length of your instrument is about ideal for CGDA and really rather too short for GDAE.
    * Taking strings designed for GDAE and tuning them up to CGDA risks damaging the instrument with all the extra force involved.

    With regard to flatwounds, I have in the past bought D'Addario Chrome singles of appropriate gauges and taken the ball ends out for use on a mandola. They sound quite different to TI's though.

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    Default Re: Flatwound strings for 17'' Mandola

    You can buy Daddario flatwound sets from emando.com

    I'd personally go for the Mandola "Normal" gauge, and tune them CGDA, but you might also try the "Light" gauge.

    http://emando.com/shop/strings8_mandola.htm

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    Default Re: Flatwound strings for 17'' Mandola

    Thanks for the warning, Tavy. I haven't considered that I might damage the instrument. Your other point confirms my feeling that the mandola could not really support the low notes of GDAE. So, I'll go for CGDA tuning.

    Thanks colorado_al for the recommendation. Maybe I give the D'Addario flatwound (is it the same as flat tops?) a try ...

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    Default Re: Flatwound strings for 17'' Mandola

    I found this set of strings to be very nice sounding and easy playing on my Collings Mandola. They are not as loud, but have a nice warm sound and you don't notice the noise when making slides. All four strings are wound which in my opinion makes the A strings fit in better tonally than the all steel A strings in the EJ76 set.

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    Default Re: Flatwound strings for 17'' Mandola

    Quote Originally Posted by jedennis View Post
    All four strings are wound which in my opinion makes the A strings fit in better tonally than the all steel A strings in the EJ76 set.
    Good to know! Right now I have the A strings from the EJ76 set together with the flatwound strings from the Thomastik 174 set and it is disturbing that the A strings are plain while the others are wound - both from the sound and from the feel.

    I assume your Collings Mandola has a scale length of 15.9'' ... should I pick a different gauge based on the 1'' longer scale length of my instrument?

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    Default Re: Flatwound strings for 17'' Mandola

    Not flat wound, but you could also try D'Addario (or other) Octave Mandolin strings (EJ80). 46-32-22-12 string gauges. These will be lower tension (but not floppy) so, less bright.

    Just a note: It's my understanding that most of the Mandola strings are tensioned for a Gibson Mandola scale length (15.875"). D'Addario states this right on their packaging. So, those .052 strings on a 17" mandola are not pulling 23.6 lbs tension. They are actually 28.3 lbs each. The total tension works out to 237.8 lbs vice 207.4 lbs for a Gibson scale.

    The EJ80s will pull a total tension of 180.5 lbs on a 17" mandola. That is about the tension of the Light Mandola (EJ72) strings on a Gibson scale. Sometimes lower tension gives you better tone.

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    I use Thomastik flat wounds on my Gibson mandola. You need to get 164's for CGDA tuning. They are called "alto mandolin" strings.

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    Default Re: Flatwound strings for 17'' Mandola

    I don't know the answer to your question about needing a different gauge for your longer scale length. As I recall the D'Addario flattops only come in the EFT76 gauge (at least that's the only one's I could find). It's logical to think the longer scale would require more tension to get them up to pitch which might be an issue for the A strings as the steel core apparently has a pretty small diameter. You might just have to try them and see what happens. Sorry I can't be more helpful with your question.
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