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    Hi.

    I have a Rigel A Natural. Recently two of the teeth on the tailpiece snapped off, which seems to be a common problem. I was lucky enough to be able to get a replacement, thanks to Trevor at TAMCO, who was incredibly helpful and generous.

    The issue is that the new tailpiece is made for the typical Rigel mando that has an endpin jack socket. The A Natural doesn’t. Means the hole is too big. I’ve managed to temporarily fix this with a washer but needs a longer term fix. Any thoughts on what I could do myself before I take it to a luthier?

    Thanks in advance
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    Can you find a larger button? I assume, from your photo, that the new tailpiece is intended to fit over/around an endpin socket so fitting one of those might be ths simplest option. It might be worth also considering a new/alternative/better tailpiece - it doesn’t look like there are many holes to cover up which is the usual problem.

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    Cheers Ray.

    Yes, most Rigels have an endpin socket so thatís how itís supposed to fit. Iíd rather not fit one just for the sake of it but itís an option if I canít find anything else to fit.

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    Hi Matt - Does the new tailpiece function ok ?. If it does,then realistically,that's all you need. I had a similar problem when i got a new Lebeda tailpiece for my Lebeda mandolin. The screw holes were spot on,but the endpin hole was out of position by about 0.1". I had to use my Dremel drill & a small milling cutter to extend the hole to fit the endpin. It left the extended hole showing just a bit,but as long as the t/piece functions far better than the old one - who cares,it's purely cosmetic.

    If it really is bothering you,then find a piece of suitable metal & make a shaped washer to go underneath the endpin & cover the hole. https://hobby.uk.com/materials/metal/sheet-metal.html,
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    Hi Matt, Thinking about it again, the problem with the Rigel is that the sides are curved and they donít meet the top at 90degrees so a standard tailpiece wonít fit.

    It might be worth putting up with it to see if you can get a more accurate replacement (are Rigel still in business?). Even then, the replacement might not be an exact fit. I had a similar problem with my Clark GBOM. A luthier friend of mine managed to destroy the tailpiece (and part of his hand) whilst trying to enlarge the enpin hole to fit a pickup. Austin kindly made me a new one but fitting it still needed a slight modification to the binding to make the screw holes line up.

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    Thanks both. The issue is that the tailpiece doesn't quite sit straight as it's resting on a curved edge. Means it slants ever so slightly down on the E string side, which is affecting the sound. I'll see if I can get a short piece of metal tubing the diameter of an endpin jack that I can cut down and put between the body and the endpin so it's held firm!
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    The US company Stewart-McDonald sells a replacement strap-pin button, called a 'No-Jack', for filling the 1/2"(approx. 12mm) hole from a cable jack. I use them frequently, when removing acoustic pickups from guitars. Perhaps that fitting would work on your Rigel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Hutchinson View Post
    Cheers Ray.

    Yes, most Rigels have an endpin socket so that’s how it’s supposed to fit. I’d rather not fit one just for the sake of it but it’s an option if I can’t find anything else to fit.

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    Default Re: Rigel tailpiece problem - help!

    Thanks Dave. It isn't drilled out for an endpin jack, just the regular screw for a strap button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willkamm View Post
    Gold Tone Music Group in Titusville FL is licensed to make and sell Rigel knock-offs. contact@goldtone.com or 1-800-826-5482
    I know they sell replacement parts for Rigel, or at least they still did last year.
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    Peter Langdell is still around. Maybe he has are replacement or a solution. Rigel Instruments
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    Looks like if the end pin rim or washer you have there fit the hole the tailpiece could be moved back and centered by the endpin rim or the washer underneath it.
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    I am with pops, washers seem like the way to go here.

    Two washers. One that just fits in the tailpiece hole and is slightly thinner than the tailpiece. This will center the tailpiece to where is should be. The second washer is larger than the hole in the tailpiece so the screw will snug down and keep it in place.
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    Sounds like the place to start. Thanks both!

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    If you are self reliant enough to change out the old tailpiece for a new one, then you likely possess the ability to get a $6 jeweler's saw with $1 blade and a small drill bit. Drill a pilot hole, wiggle the saw up and down, and in a few minutes, you just cut a new string retainer right near the old one on the orginal tailpece, and now you've got a good story at the next jam and close to $100 still in your pocket while all the other former Rigel owners shake their heads and remember a similar story...like a bunch of old vw owners....

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