That really does not look like a Gibson. Closer to a Harmony.
Also what is a mandolin-guitar?
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That's not a "mandolin guitar" it is a Parlor guitar with a slotted headstock.
It does have an early Orville type label in it? It may be a redone Gibson? What does the label say? Any #'s or model? Body does look like an L but everything about it is wrong/later dates.
I suspect that the label actually says “The Gibson Mandolin Guitar Manufacturing Co” which might explain some of the o/p’s confusion.
It’s a guitar but I’m not sure of the model or date. When looking for serial numbers also look inside - up where the neck joins the body - for a stamped number (it’s known as the “Factory Order Number”) and is useful for dating purposes.
I suspect that the body may be a teens Gibson L but the neck is later as I'm not aware of a slot-head Gibson, also the bridge would've been a floater with trapeze type? Sorry I'm not up on my guitar lingo like I know my old Gibson mandolin stuff.
That is a very unusual instrument.
I believe it to be a very early model, made between 1902 and 1907.
Is there a serial number visible on the label or an ink-stamped number visible on the inside of the guitar where the neck meets the body?
If you could measure the width of the body at its widest point, it would help to confirm its date of manufacture. By 1908, Gibson only offered 13 1/2" and 16" guitars. From looking at the picture, my guess is that this one is 12 1/2" wide, a size that was only listed in their 1902 catalog, and was discontinued sometime before 1908.
If you can distinguish whether the back and sides were made of walnut or birch, that would also be useful. Most of the very early Gibsons were built out of walnut.
Some of the earliest Gibson guitars were made with pin bridges and slotted peg heads. Not many guitars from that period survive. However, I cannot judge from the one picture whether the neck or the bridge are original to this instrument.
I have not heard of a Gibson from this period with a sunburst finish. My guess is that the guitar went back to the factory for service in the mid 1910's or later, and was refinished at that time. The bridge looks like it might be a replacement, but I am not at all sure about that. I am reluctant to say anything more about this instrument without an in-hand inspection.
I recommend that this instrument be inspected by George Gruhn [Gruhn Guitars] or Frank Ford [Gryphon Strings] to determine its date of manufacture and state of originality. They have seen more of these early Gibsons than anyone else.
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The label and peg-head would suggest somewhere between 1903 and 1908 but I'm not sure whether Gibson had yet introduced the FoN system back then. The glued on bridge (assuming it's original) and lack of a Gibson logo might suggest even earlier.
The headstock, the bridge and the saddle should be raising flags for the experts here.
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Ive seen that headstock before.. Red Bowers out of Mid Idaho had one in his Collection.. all Black with the slotted peg head.. he also had very early harp Guitars.. the Style Rs Pearl Bordered as well as the very early F mandolins that were the same.. pearl and black for binding as well as Vine inlays.... as for the bridge and saddle they have been changed as well as the finish..
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you have a picture of the Back?
How does it play?
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I don't think Gibson made any flat-top guitars before the late 1920s. Their whole sales pitch was the carved soundboards. Other than the label (and of course no-one has ever faked one of those) there is nothing about this instrument which suggests any Gibson involvement.
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Gibson did make a few flat-tops prior to the 1920's, but they are exceedingly rare. Greg Boyd had one in his shop last year, dated to the mid teens. I mentioned that instrument to George Gruhn, and he said he had also seen a couple of others over the years.
Anyway, Mr. Muller's instrument looks to me like it is probably carved. A couple more pictures would be helpful, though. I would especially like to see a side view, and the back of the neck. The top looks very much like early Gibson workmanship to me.
I am comfortable with my earlier assessment-- first decade of the 1900's, finish re-done by Gibson after 1916 or so. I won't say anything for sure about the neck without more pictures, and I won't say anything about the fingerboard inlays or bridge without the instrument in hand.
Gibsons made before 1910 often have a bit of a different look to them than later instruments.
It does have No. 3648 on the label in the sound hole.
Yes. It is also identified in the sound hole label as No. 3648
Yes just posted it. Thank you!
3648 is a 1905 serial number.
From Gruhn's Guide to Vintage Guitars: "By 1902 demand for "The Gibson" exceeded Orville's [Gibson] production capacity, and he sold the rights to his name and patent to five Kalamazoo businessmen who formed The Gibson Mandolin-Guitar Manufacturing Co., Ltd., on October 10, 1902. Orville owned stock and trained workers for a brief time, but by the end of 1903 he was no longer involved with the Gibson company."
This is indeed a very early Gibson, and model designs varied considerably during this period. I would be comfortable calling it a 1905 Gibson L series model in "standard size" [their designation for a 12 1/2" body]. This body size was discontinued by 1908, when designs became more standardized.
I know naught about vintage Gibsons, but that is a beautiful instrument!
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Thank you very much for the information!! Very helpful
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