Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: Howe-Orme mandolin repair

  1. #1
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Consecon, Canada
    Posts
    51

    Default Howe-Orme mandolin repair

    Greetings all,
    Last weekend I happened upon a Howe-Orme mandolin in a thrift shop. It's a hundred years old and in good condition. I am now the proud owner.
    I plan to address a few minor issues. The first issue is very stiff tuners. I have ultra light strings on order. When they arrive I plan to remove one tuner and clean it hydrosonically. Reinstall it with new strings and tune to pitch to keep tension on. I will then do the remaining tuner and strings.
    I'm comfortable with the task, but would be grateful to draw on the experience of the community to ensure that I get it right.
    The first thing that I notice is that the winding post passes through the headstock without any noticable bushing. I'm concerned that binding here could be a contributing factor to the stiffness.
    Steve

  2. #2
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Consecon, Canada
    Posts
    51

    Default Re: Howe-Orme mandolin repair

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	peghead 4.jpg 
Views:	109 
Size:	933.2 KB 
ID:	172482
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	tuners 2.jpg 
Views:	161 
Size:	870.3 KB 
ID:	172483
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	body.jpg 
Views:	146 
Size:	1.09 MB 
ID:	172484
    Steve

  3. #3
    Registered User Tavy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Tavistock UK
    Posts
    4,452

    Default Re: Howe-Orme mandolin repair

    Take them off, strip them right down and clean thoroughly, then put them back together and hope for the best

    Normally the main issue you have with bush-less tuners like these is that the holes become oblong over time - that does not appear to have happened in this case though. Also since they are worm-under if the posts do develop a lean under string tension then they will tend to slip rather than bind, so hopefully a good clean will fix things. Also use a PTFE based lubricant on them once clean - apply it while the heads are off the instrument, and let it dry thoroughly before replacing (your local cycle shot will have a selection of suitable PTFE lubes).

    Congrats on your purchase!

  4. #4
    Registered User Russ Donahue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    869

    Default Re: Howe-Orme mandolin repair

    Wow. Wonderful find.
    Make America Grateful Again!

    2013 Collings MF, 2017 Northfield NF2S, 2019 Northfield Big Mon F
    1968 Martin D12-20, 2008 Martin HD28, 2022 Martin CEO 7
    1978 Ibanez Artist "Flying Eagle" Masterclone Banjo

  5. #5
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Consecon, Canada
    Posts
    51

    Default Re: Howe-Orme mandolin repair

    Thanks guys.
    And thank you for the insight and tips Tavy. I'll search out some PTFE.
    Steve

  6. #6
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Consecon, Canada
    Posts
    51

    Default Re: Howe-Orme mandolin repair

    The ultrasonic cleaner worked quite well. Cleaned things the grime, but kept the patina. The tuners loosened up, but not evenly. Some ended up a bit more loose than I would like, others still have positions in the rotation that bind. I did use some PTFE lube. I may revisit the bind issue at some point, but for now I`m happy with the result.
    Ultra light strings are on. It plays nicely. It`s quite loud and sounds fine.
    There is still a seam on the back to be re-glued, but I think I will seek out a luthier for that task.
    Thanks for the advice and encouragement.
    Steve

  7. #7
    Mando-Accumulator Jim Garber's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Westchester, NY
    Posts
    30,761

    Default Re: Howe-Orme mandolin repair

    Wow, it took you 2 months to change strings and clean and lubricate the tuners? Kidding, of course.

    Those tuners have a screw for the round gear. You could slightly loosen the screw on each one to see if that is the problem. Likely, though it might just be the holes are drilled unevenly. As long as you can turn them at all, it is probably all right.
    Jim

    My Stream on Soundcloud
    Facebook
    19th Century Tunes
    Playing lately:
    1924 Gibson A4 - 2018 Campanella A-5 - 2007 Brentrup A4C - 1915 Frank Merwin Ashley violin - Huss & Dalton DS - 1923 Gibson A2 black snakehead - '83 Flatiron A5-2 - 1939 Gibson L-00 - 1936 Epiphone Deluxe - 1928 Gibson L-5 - ca. 1890s Fairbanks Senator Banjo - ca. 1923 Vega Style M tenor banjo - ca. 1920 Weymann Style 25 Mandolin-Banjo - National RM-1

  8. #8
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Consecon, Canada
    Posts
    51

    Default Re: Howe-Orme mandolin repair

    Thanks Jim.
    When I was at it I took a brand new screwdriver that fit
    the slot very well and I applied as much force as I dared to that soft brass screw. It didn't budge.
    Having recently dealt with a seized starter bolt on an aluminum truck transmission I figured patience and discretion was a sound course of action. I quit while I was ahead.
    Steve

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •