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    Even crazier when you consider it is an original 1959 Les Paul jr...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grandcanyonminstrel View Post
    Even crazier when you consider it is an original 1959 Les Paul jr...!
    Good grief!
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    Actually, the engineering behind the Les Paul Jr. fix seems sound.
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    The other one looks like they cut the repair straps from spoons!

    Actually, nothing wrong with mechanical repairs -- other than they look bad and might get in the way of your playing!
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    I think Frank Ford's frets.com site was mentioned above, but he has really well-documented, illustrated examples of a half-dozen different peghead repairs on this luthiers page.

    http://frets.com/FretsPages/pagelist.html#Luthier

    He generally recommends traditional hot-hide (not cold, not fish) glue for these repairs, but there are examples where he'll use other varieties.

    This example of his re-repair of a previously glued peghead crack seems pretty similar to your situation:

    http://frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/...strapheat.html

    Worth reading his articles comparing glue characteristics and strength tests and on using de-ionized water for cleaning repair sites, too, before doing anything.
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    Yes, thanks, that's my plan -- to go with the strongest epoxy I can get my hands on. Although many have recommended the addition of a back strap, this is above my current expertise and I may just go with the epoxy and take my chances.

    thanks, al,
    M&M

    Just wondering how this repair is coming along? Did you discover a good marine epoxy to use and have you started the repair?
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    Bernie, wow, thanks so much for taking the time to follow up. I'm just too jammed in my schedule right now, so have tabled it till probably after the first of the year. In the meantime, I'm likely going to pick up a used entry-level Eastman (if anyone has an MD-304/305 or MD-315 lying around, I may have some interest).

    Bernie, I did find what I consider a high-quality marine Epoxy (name escapes me at the moment) that also sells in small quantities.

    Thanks again. I'm not daunted by the repair, just slammed with work and family obligations (oldest daughter getting married in December). Will keep folks in the loop.

    Thanks So Much,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mando&Me View Post
    Bernie, wow, thanks so much for taking the time to follow up. I'm just too jammed in my schedule right now, so have tabled it till probably after the first of the year. In the meantime, I'm likely going to pick up a used entry-level Eastman (if anyone has an MD-304/305 or MD-315 lying around, I may have some interest).

    Bernie, I did find what I consider a high-quality marine Epoxy (name escapes me at the moment) that also sells in small quantities.

    Thanks again. I'm not daunted by the repair, just slammed with work and family obligations (oldest daughter getting married in December). Will keep folks in the loop.

    Thanks So Much,
    Mando&Me
    Check out this thread and you'll know why I am interested in that epoxy. I think you'll be able to do the repair OK when you get to it!
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    West system epoxy from the Gougon brothers is amazing stuff! Not cheap but, WooEee, it’s durable!
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    Hi, Everyone. As the OP, I wanted to bump this post to ask a specific question.

    I have determined from the previous repair that the luthier used Titebond. I've been told that I need to remove the old glue remnant before attempting another repair. I believe several folks told me Titebond is water soluble. If this is the case, what might be the best method to going in there and removing it. I was thinking a paint brush that I could dip in water, which would allow me to get into all the crevices.

    Any thoughts or suggestions?

    Thanks very much,

    M&M

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mando&Me View Post
    Hi, Everyone. As the OP, I wanted to bump this post to ask a specific question.

    I have determined from the previous repair that the luthier used Titebond. I've been told that I need to remove the old glue remnant before attempting another repair. I believe several folks told me Titebond is water soluble. If this is the case, what might be the best method to going in there and removing it. I was thinking a paint brush that I could dip in water, which would allow me to get into all the crevices.

    Any thoughts or suggestions?

    Thanks very much,

    M&M
    Water will just slightly soften the glue. Vinegar is better or there is substance called de-glue-goo that will do it as well.
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    I would also use a stiffer brush like an old toothbrush.
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    HoGo & pops1, thanks.

    So just to confirm: TiteBond is classified as a water-based glue, correct? Just want to make sure.

    thanks again,
    Mando & Me

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    Best way to clean is with a steamer, use coffee machine or similiar.

    I posted this couple of months ago, may have missed it. A link of three types of headstock breaks step by step

    http://www.mirwa.com.au/HTS_Headstock_Reglue.html


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    Nice tips and website, Steve!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirwa View Post
    Best way to clean is with a steamer, use coffee machine or similiar.

    I posted this couple of months ago, may have missed it. A link of three types of headstock breaks step by step

    http://www.mirwa.com.au/HTS_Headstock_Reglue.html


    Steve
    Wow, Steve, thanks so much for reposting this. I must have missed it last time. I have saved it in my Bookmarks and will definitely reference it when I set about to repair the next (sometime in January).

    Thanks also for the tip on the steaming. I'm thinking a hot electric iron would do the trick as well.

    Thanks Again!
    Mando & Me

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    Why not simply use a tea kettle?
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    Hi, Everyone. Wanted to bump and renew this thread, as I'm getting closer to doing the repair.

    To review: I spoke to the luthier who did the previous repair, and he said it was done with Titebond. My understanding is that this is a water-based glue, and thus I must first remove the old glue. Several of the last posts suggested steaming would be a good technique. Do most of you agree?

    If so, the last poster recommended a standard old tea kettle. Anyone have any other ideas for steaming away this glue?

    Thanks So Much,
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    Whatever your choice for a steamer, remember to use distilled water.
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    You want to clean off the old titebond right?

    Here is what I did. Get an open pan maybe 1 quart sauce pan or a 4 cup pyrex measuring cup. Add two cups of water (distilled if you have it) then heat to boiling or near boiling. Turn off the heat. Then, with a small long handled (6 - 8 inches), stiff bristled bush carefully (gently) wash/brush off all the parts. Keep brushing until the wood looks clean. Let it dry. If traces of glue remain repeat the process with fresh water. Worked great for me.
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