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    Bose has always tried to produce a more natural, less clinical tone and listening experience. The early indirect speakers did what they promised, a generous room-filling sound that felt quite real.

    They used multiple cones, and indeed EQed them substantially. They also innovated in compact enclosure design, like the folded-path () Wave systems. I think some of the natural tone is those small cones, which avoid the need for a crossover and the phase problems. Also, a modest falloff in the high end would be more natural---highs do not carry well so listening to a live acoustic performance like a string quartet should not be loaded with sparkling highs but a sweeter midrange with some highs.

    I like the earbuds from Bose---very warm and natural tone, not clinical. In the studio I prefer the surgical clarity of JBL, but I have an early Wave (a little tubby in the bottom for my taste but still a good sound) and would enjoy hi-fi speakers from Bose.

    I do not think of Bose when I want power and efficiency, but their stick and subwoofer personal-PA design sounds really sweet, if it can do the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Griffin View Post
    Yes. Itís a weird company and unusual stuff. If you ever take their gear apart itís obvious how cheaply itís made yet they charge a premium. It strange to me that they never put tweeters in their speakers. The 201, 301, 501, 601, 901, 802 all used 2.5Ē midrange or larger. For some reason beyond me people think itís good stuff.
    That old series has to be put in context. Back then, they actually were better in some situations (i.e. smaller rooms) compared to the run-of-the-mill passive speakers in heavy plywood cabinets that were the norm.

    That all changed with the powered speaker and Class D amp revolution, where suddenly you could bi-amp a PA speaker at an affordable price and manageable weight. I remember when I first bought a Mackie SRM450. Wow! What a game-changer it was, for those of us running our own compact PA setups. Then QSC took it up a notch with the K-series, and others have followed.

    What bugs me about Bose is mostly the advertising hype. I don't know if they still do this, but they used to call the L1 a "line array," and it can't possibly function as one. At least in pro sound reinforcement terms, when it's located low on the ground like that, and without separate amps and tweaking for each element in an array flown high over the stage. But it's a nice buzzword that helps move product, I guess.

    They also promoted the L1 as a system where each musician should have one next to them on the stage, as both sound source and personal monitor. What a feedback nightmare that would be for live mics, at any appreciable volume. But hey.... if you could sell an L1 to every member in the band, that's a lot of product out the door!

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    Iím s big believer in simple preamps and small powered PA speakers. Iíve never owned an ďacoustic amp.Ē

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    I would disagree about them sounding more natural. The paper cone drivers they use don’t have wide dispersion of natural high frequencies. The overwhelming majority of speaker manufacturers ( pro and home audio) use high frequency drivers that try to reproduce the way high frequencies occur naturally. Bose uses drivers that are more directional and don’t have the transient response of a smaller faster driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Griffin View Post
    I would disagree about them sounding more natural.
    I report my experience. I loved the JBL 15" monitors from the 70s, I think they were 4320s, but when I first heard a set of 901s I felt they were more friendly and warm, the reflected-sound thing was a pleasure to hear. As I noted, I like a technical sound in a studio but a friendly tone for listening, which means a gentle falloff of aggressive high frequencies to match the experience of hearing musical instruments from a bit of distance/

    I can't see where a 2.5" cone is all that much slower than a 1" tweeter--they all use a voice coil and permanent magnet. The dispersion is addressed by using multiple cones in larger systems than my little Wave radio, whose dispersion seems fine to my ears. Best control of dispersion is through horns, with the walls dragging the wavefront to make it more spherical and less planar, as I understand it.
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    The Bose 301s were, in their time a perfectly acceptably sounding speaker. Yes, you could do better but what else could you carry from the car to the stage in one trip? Bose accepted that they needed more bottom end in some circumstances by producing matching bass bins (can't remember the number - it was a long time ago) but I do remember occasions when the combined 802s/bins produced too much bottom end and the latter ended up as expensive speaker stands.

    Does anyone remember the bass canons they produced? They wouldn't sell them, you had to have them installed; apparently for safety reasons.

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    Was at a friends' last week, practicing for his gig. That little S1 sounded sweet. Out live on the coffee shop porch it was perfect. It sounded much better than the Roland Street Cube I used for a parking lot gig on Labor Day. My buddy can add his ToneMatch from his old L1 system which makes him even more thrilled. Lots of time on the battery per charge, and the S1 is perfect for the solo solution. If you really don't like the limitations, the marketplace offers you alternatives. I can appreciate that for many, this is a great $600 solution (before sales and coupons!). My only gripe: no FX loop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wright View Post
    I report my experience. I loved the JBL 15" monitors from the 70s, I think they were 4320s, but when I first heard a set of 901s I felt they were more friendly and warm, the reflected-sound thing was a pleasure to hear. As I noted, I like a technical sound in a studio but a friendly tone for listening, which means a gentle falloff of aggressive high frequencies to match the experience of hearing musical instruments from a bit of distance/

    I can't see where a 2.5" cone is all that much slower than a 1" tweeter--they all use a voice coil and permanent magnet. The dispersion is addressed by using multiple cones in larger systems than my little Wave radio, whose dispersion seems fine to my ears. Best control of dispersion is through horns, with the walls dragging the wavefront to make it more spherical and less planar, as I understand it.
    A 2.5Ē paper cone driver has poor transient response. Bad for accurate reproduction of high frequencies. This is why no high quality speaker manufacturers use them. Bose marketing is very successful so people buy the product anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by almeriastrings View Post
    Without digressing.... this is easy. No problem at all. I do it every day. I'll PM you.

    Bose do make some interesting stuff, and it does tend to "just work"... um... anyway, that is fine in many situations but if you need to repair it or use it in more unusual situations the lack of technical data can be a bit of an issue. Bottom line: if it work for you, then enjoy it, as they make some nice sounding systems with (definitely) unique features.
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    Looking for a battery PA/amp, and this is high on my list. But does it include phantom power for the mic input?

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    Nothing in the sparse information they provide shows phantom power.

    Here's the manual:

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcgroup53 View Post
    Looking for a battery PA/amp, and this is high on my list. But does it include phantom power for the mic input?
    Not many compact battery "acoustic amps" supply phantom power. With the Bose, you could use a relatively inexpensive battery phantom power supply ahead of the mic input.

    Or, for the cream of the crop battery acoustic amps, get an AER Compact Mobile, the battery version of the excellent Compact 60. I believe both amps include 24v phantom power on the mic input, which is enough for clip-on mini condenser mics like the Pro 35 or DPA 4099, and many other standard condenser mics. AER makes great amps, I used to have the smaller, non-battery AER Alpha for coffee shop gigs. Very solid build quality and performance, with a high price to match.

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    HOLY COW Eighteen hundred buckaroos, It better be good!
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    I spent a very pleasant two hours in a Music shop last week trying one out. Needs a good preamp or EQ pedal in front of it, but actually the sound was extremely good. I couldn’t give two hoots what the spec was on paper, it’s the sound I listen to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandroid View Post
    Yea, in the bike shop Q1 is cost, Q2 what's it weigh ?

    But a transformerless switching power supply
    Or just all DC circuits, and a wall wart rectifier/voltage limiter in the cord,
    and amp weights can be lower too...

    For electric guitars, I find myself asking about the weight even before the price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Packard View Post
    HOLY COW Eighteen hundred buckaroos, It better be good!
    I'm sure it is, based on the smaller AER Alpha I owned for a while.

    As for the price... I think we've all been spoiled in the last 15-20 years by almost every music gear company moving production to China and other offshore suppliers. Many years ago, I remember things like guitar amps and PA gear being fairly expensive. There's been a downward push in pricing that makes us think anything not made in China is outrageously expensive now, when it's actually at about the same price we used to pay, in adjusted dollars, before outsourcing became the new normal.

    Anything you buy that's still made completely here in the USA like Royer ribbon microphones, or in Europe like the DPA 4099 clip-on mics, seems outrageously priced by comparison. You're paying for the higher standard of living, and for local quality control that doesn't have to deal with managing an overseas factory.

    tl,dr: The AER amps are expensive because high quality materials are used, there is local quality control, and they're made in Germany not China. The exchange rate between the US dollar and the Euro might also have something to do with it, but I think the main factor is that it isn't an outsourced product.

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    Reviving this thread. I just got back from the Bose store where I tried one with the Rigel. I was only able to fill the room dimed. Clearly it snd the piezo aren't getting along. I presume it would be great with the Venue DI in front of it. I may yet end up with it.
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    Wattage ratings are so inflated these days, with almost all consumer watt ratings stated as peak wattage. Thus 300watt amplifiers are realistically more like 75 watt. Depending on the speaker sensitivity, a far greater measure of likely volume, a true thirty or forty watts should do the job. My home stereo amp puts out 3 watts and will drive my 105db sensitive speakers to Led Zepplin volume.

    So if Bose takes the view they would rather use other features as marketing hype, and forgo wattage ratings, so be it. Does it do what you need it to? That's pretty much all you need to know.
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    I use a Bose S-1 in a variety of ways. Mainly as an amp for acoustic guitar. The sound is great and whatever the wattage, it is loud. Plus it disperses the sound in a wonderful way. As a stand alone P.A. it is no less wonderful. In my trio we sometimes use it in conjunction with an L-1 Compact to widen the field.
    As far as wattage, a lot of people say 40, but that doesn't tell the story. Early documents said 140, but this docs were withdrawn. There is info on DB.
    Here's my observation on volume: it does the work of a 150 watt P.A. No, I can't support that belief with anything but experience. It works, and it works very well. I never have to turn it up past halfway.

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