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    Default Wolle picks for clasical playing, help pls?

    I have just ordered a few Wolle mandolin picks. I wanted to try them on my bowlback.
    The seller says they need to be treated/polished before playing.
    Could anyone help me with that please? I am not sure how to do that.
    Any advice more than welcome.
    many thanks

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    formerly Philphool Phil Goodson's Avatar
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    Default Re: Wolle picks for clasical playing, help pls?

    Are they really made of wool? I'm not finding anything on Google about them.
    Why not ask the seller about this?

    If they're used a lot with bowlbacks, perhaps someone in the Classical section of the forum might have more info.

    Are they ordered from a company or individual? Link???

    Addendum: Here is a thread I found that mentions Wolle: Go Here.
    I don't see a mention of treating/polishing. I suspect that it means just shaping and smoothing the pick to suit yourself.
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    Default Re: Wolle picks for clasical playing, help pls?

    I've seen these picks but have not heard what sort of treatment they need before use. They seem popular with the German classical players and their type of mandolins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philphool View Post
    Are they really made of wool? I'm not finding anything on Google about them.
    Why not ask the seller about this?

    If they're used a lot with bowlbacks, perhaps someone in the Classical section of the forum might have more info.

    Are they ordered from a company or individual? Link???

    Addendum: Here is a thread I found that mentions Wolle: Go Here.
    I don't see a mention of treating/polishing. I suspect that it means just shaping and smoothing the pick to suit yourself.
    Thank you
    Wolle, not wool

    you can see description here

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    Quote Originally Posted by beekeeper View Post
    Thank you
    Wolle, not wool

    you can see description here
    I wonder if that means you have to somehow remove the little bits where the mold may have left a ridge or something.

    search time.....

    https://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/s...olle-plectrums

    Martin has the answer:

    "I have tried German rubber plectrums, but not actual Wolle ones. Doesn't really work for me, but that may be because I haven't got the hang of shaping the tip appropriately -- they come unfinished and the player is meant to add a bevel according to their preference."

    Travis Finch : "The white plectrums are firmer than the blue ones. Don't be put off by the the fact that these are made from rubber, they are somewhat flexible but also surprisingly hard-wearing.

    Martin is right, you do have to shape them yourself but I'm also imagining that a lot of players out there are used to at least "finishing" other plectrums, so this shouldn't be too much of a stretch. I usually use 200 grit to knock a basic shape and 600 to finish. Playing takes care of the rest of the finishing.

    These are actually pretty good plectrums, a little chunky to hold but I tend to shape the upper portion of the plectrum as well, improves flex and makes them much easier to hold and use.

    When coupled with flat-wounds, these do provide a pretty sweet tone. Granted, plectrums and strings will only do so much for your tone.

    Verdict: I would highly recommend them."

    also

    https://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/s...e-Roland-et-al

    https://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/s...75-Wolle-picks

    https://schneidermusik.de/shop1/inde...39/language/en

    "Note: this mandolin pick is unpolished (has sharp edges) and needs to be treated/polished before playing"

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    For future reference, if you buy the Wolle plectra from Trekel (www.trekel.de) they will do the shaping/polishing for you (for a price, but reasonable). It is not difficult, however -- use a file to round off the edges near the tip and then polish with extremely fine sandpaper/steel wool.
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    Yep, they're very popular among german classical players. To be honest, these picks are more common in this scene thanF5s among bluegrassers.
    They are made from a quite soft injection moulded plastic and thus hve still sharp edges. Before using them, you have to sand the edges and bevel the tip.
    The big thing about these picks (and the reason everyone here in Germany uses them) is, that they produce less pick click than any other pick. They provide a very clean and mellow tone. If this is what you want, try them - no BC, no Wegen and no Primetone can come close. (I can't say anything about others of these "more expensive" picks like Dawg picks...)
    They are more durable than one would think considering the soft feel of the plastic, but they nedd to be replaced more often than Primetones or Wegens.

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    Default Re: Wolle picks for clasical playing, help pls?

    Thank you all very much.
    I don't specialize in mandolin but I have played bowlbacks since I was a child back in Greece, and now, as a member of an orchestra, i often double on mandolin, which I love.
    I admit i am so used to the bowlback sound that, even now I dont understand why most people prefer flatbacks.
    If I am not asking for too much: is there any chance someone could upload a close-up photo of how the tip of that pick should look like after reshaping/sanding so i know what I am aiming for?
    once again,thank you all very much

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    Quote Originally Posted by beekeeper View Post

    I admit I am so used to the bowlback sound that, even now I don't understand why most people prefer flatbacks.
    As a rare american of Sicilian ( as in used to be Greek) ancestry, I am with you. One of my bowlbacks was made in Greece!

    However, to answer you, it's an American thing. Gibson came up with an instrument that suited many musicians.

    Not to mention greek or Irish bouzouki.

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    Default Re: Wolle picks for clasical playing, help pls?

    I don't know. Personally I like the brighter tone of the Italian-style (versus German) mandolins and I beliebe that Greek instruments would be closer to the Italian ones. That German tone derives from the style of instrument but additionally from the almost exclusive use of Thomastik strings and Wolle plectra. Nice mellow similar to classical guitar sound even from metal strings as Thomastiks.

    I have played some Italian mandolins including Calaces, Vinaccias and Emberghers strung with Thomastiks and can attest that I really don't like that combination. The same goes for the Wolle plectra. To me the appeal of a bowlback is the sparkle of its emphasis on the mid-range and trebles.

    That is not to say that I don't enjoy the playing of many of the fine German-style players but it is only my personal taste in my own choice for classical playing and bowlbacks.

    BTW I don't believe that these Wolle picks are actually made of rubber, more that they are rubbery plastic. But go ahead and try them—you may very well like them.

    And beekeeper: where are you located on this fine earth? Are you in Greece?
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    Default Re: Wolle picks for clasical playing, help pls?

    Quote Originally Posted by beekeeper View Post
    I admit i am so used to the bowlback sound that, even now I dont understand why most people prefer flatbacks.
    If I am not asking for too much: is there any chance someone could upload a close-up photo of how the tip of that pick should look like after reshaping/sanding so i know what I am aiming for?
    once again,thank you all very much
    Hi Beekeeper
    Here are a couple photos of my Wolle picks. I am not sure if theses are from the ones I shaped or the ones I asked Trekel to shape when I bought them. Either way I hope it helps.

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    Default Re: Wolle picks for clasical playing, help pls?

    Thank you thank you thank you!
    I am based in London UK.I trained as a viola player and i now divide my time between a ballet orchestra and a small conductor-less chamber orchestra.
    I usually cover mandolin in Romeo+Juliet and recently Mahler's song of the Earth.I am also interested the early Greek mandolin recordings of people like Toundas and Peristeris.
    I play a 100 year old Neapolitan instrument but it doesn't like London weather very much and gets affected by humidity.
    I have asked Christos Spourdalakis in Athens to make me a new instrument with re enforced neck.He has a technique of inserting a thin and light layer of carbon fibre which is less invasive than a rod and works well. I find his mandolins have the characteristics of the "italian" sound but he tries to refine a few elements.i'll know more in the summer.

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