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    Question Reverse MAS?

    Is there such a thing? Or........is it just MAS in disguise? For example, I jonesed after a Silverangel F for several years. I finally "pulled the trigger" on mine earlier this year. A fine mandolin it is too. However, I am really a hack and just don't feel worthy playing it, especially at a jam or something. So I've been thinking maybe I should sell it and get a lesser mandolin-say a Collings MT or Weber Gallatin A or something (probably won't, but.....). So, reverse MAS or MAS? You make the call.
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    Keep it my friend, its paid for and I love the looks of those silver angels, for sure the ones with carving and the angel pix on the mando back! Awesome!

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    Mike,
    I am like you, a hacker or advanced noodler. I have a Weber Yellowstone that is far more mandolin that I need. I will always keep it because my good friend Bruce Weber went far and above to build a fantastic instrument for me. It has a very sentimental attachment for me and even though I can't bring out all of its' potential, it will be with me for the rest of my life.

    I say enjoy your Silverangel and make as much music with it as you can. Just remember we can't all be like the Dawg or Thiele.

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    Yeah, I agree with everyone. You should keep it! It will remind you to grow into it. It will inspire you to practice and play more...and better. Nothing like owning an playing a great instrument.

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    I also vote for keeping it. I've sold too many instruments over the years, usually because I wasn't playing them enough, or to finance other projects. I always ended up regretting it.

    First of all, it's a hassle. No matter how fairly you price it, someone will inevitably offer you half that as a lowball. Then you have to pack it, insure it and ship it, and finally hope the new owner wants to keep it within the return period.

    Even if all that works, you'll still most likely lose money on the deal. At the end of the day, the money in your pocket won't seem worth it, and you'll most likely miss her at some point down the road.
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    I'll never be a good enough player to do justice to my Ellis F5. But am I going to sell it? Hell no! That would be crazy talk. Don't be a crazy talker.
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    Thanks for the replies. I knew that my "I'm not worthy" example would elicit replies related to the example....... I read all this stuff about MAS and g@d knows I suffer mightily from this incurable disease. Just got me to wondering if selling off a more expensive mandolin for a lesser instrument would be reverse MAS or is just another form of MAS. I have done this before and later end up buying something more expensive all over again.
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    I'll make you an even swap--Your Silver Angel for my 300 dollar beater. Then we'll both be happy.

    But seriously, re-read your last post. I believe you answered your own question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Scott View Post
    ... I am really a hack and just don't feel worthy playing it, especially at a jam or something. So I've been thinking maybe I should sell it and get a lesser mandolin... So, reverse MAS or MAS? You make the call.
    I'd say "Neither".

    Sounds more like a temporary case of self-doubt.

    The solution?

    Play it more!

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    ... keep it! ... It will inspire you to practice and play more...and better. ...
    Yup.

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    ... I have done this before and later end up buying something more expensive all over again.
    Well, I can see voluntarily downgrading to a lesser instrument if a person feels that they've acquired sufficient technical skills already, and they've hit a plateau and they're bored and they want some new challenges (definitely challenges!) - so the new challenge with a *lesser* instrument would be trying to tickle it just the right way to compensate for its tonal deficiencies to try to make the cruddy-sounding thing sound marginally acceptable after all.

    I personally enjoy that type of challenge, but I sure as heck would not have liked it when I was first starting out.

    The problem with lesser instruments, particularly for new or relatively inexperienced players, is that there's no way for the player to know whether or not a particular problem is because of the instrument itself, or because of something needing improved with the player's technique. That kind of uncertainty and doubt really impedes learning, IMO, because the player is always blaming themselves for problems or bad tone or whatever, when in fact it might be a limitation of the instrument itself. But inexperienced players wouldn't necessarily know the difference and they'd get discouraged and want to give up.

    That's why I think it's important, *especially* for new/intermediate players and anyone else who perhaps isn't confident with their own playing, to have the best possible instrument.

    Knowing that your instrument is working *for* you, not against you, is just that little extra boost of encouragement that makes it easier to keep at it and keep practicing/playing.

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    For me, this question is so easy there is no question: If you want the money, sell it. If you don't, don't.

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    One of the issues might be performance anxiety. You show up at the jam. Your mandolin is recognized as a great one. Perhaps better than some of the other mandolin players attending.

    You take it out, and everyone waits to hear what kind of magnificence you can dish out.

    Pffffffffffffffffffffffftt.

    Just take it out and play it. However good or not you play, most people don't know one mandolin from another, and those that do will be happy for you, appreciating what you have.

    There is no "deserving". As soon as I owned a mandolin with good intonation all the way up the neck, and solid tone, some volume to it, I had a better mandolin than I "deserved". I have never been as good as my mandolin, from my second mandolin to this day.

    We are not blues guitar hacks, who try to get the most out of the least, so the (low) quality of the guitar adds credence to the down and out blues song.

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    Nope.
    Keep your nice mandolin.
    If you don't feel worthy of it, then practice and try to become more worthy.
    It is easier to become a better player on a great instrument, IMHO.
    Just play it and enjoy it.

    I have many friends who are not at the same level as their instruments.
    I just doesn't matter.
    I am a believer in getting as good a mandolin as you can afford from the very beginning.
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    As a person who has sold many instruments because they were "too good" for me, will add my voice to say keep it. Over the years have gotten rid of many guitars and mandolins that I really should have kept.
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    Or, you can trade it and try something new. That's what I do. I more often lose a little money than make anything, but it's kept the hobby fun for me. I've gotten the chance to play and know a lot more instruments than if I'd insisted on holding on to them all. And every once in a while, I do make a little money, and that I spend on my wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Scott View Post
    A fine mandolin it is too. However, I am really a hack and just don't feel worthy playing it, especially at a jam or something. So I've been thinking maybe I should sell it and get a lesser mandolin
    If it's easy to play and sounds good I'd keep it. Most pickers I've met understand the difficulty and don't pass judgements over someone having a nice instrument while still on a steep curve. If I suspected they did it would only make me more determined.

    At one of the first jams I attended, a good picker asked if my Pava was a chinese brand. TBH I was embarrassed to have a nice mandolin at the time. I told him it was a $100 mandolin. He played it and said 'damn I gotta get one'

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    Sell it and get a closet full of nice shoes.

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    Remember, a good instrument is not just for making music, although that's even better if it does. A good instrument is also a work of art. I have way more instruments than I need, yet I do enjoy just admiring the quality. And that counts for some too... Although I've also found that really awesome instruments do encourage us to play them more. Maybe you'll find yourself getting lost for a few hours in the tone alone, before you know it, your a better musician even! If your going to have something, get the best you comfortably can, and love it as a music maker and as a work of art by a master artist in it's own right.

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    Yes, if you're going to maintain possession of some thing in this world, there are worse things.

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    All great replies and thanks for the encouragement! Sorry to say my question really wasn't should I sell the SA and buy an Eastman 505 or something. I could make that decision on my own. Should not have even made the example part of the thread, although it did stimulate a good discussion.

    So, to clarify, my question really was, "Is there such a thing as actual reverse MAS or do you think it is just MAS masquerading......? My opinion is that it's the latter.
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    I think there is a "finding 'the one' and selling all your 'lesser mandolins,' " I don't know whether that's reverse MAS or just being finally satisfied with "the one." I personally will never live up to my Pava and Weber, but I will not part with them either, I enjoy them. But I still listen to great players and feel inferior, and keep trying.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Wilson View Post
    ... At one of the first jams I attended, a good picker asked if my Pava was a chinese brand. TBH I was embarrassed to have a nice mandolin at the time. I told him it was a $100 mandolin. ...


    Luthiers are missing out on a business opportunity, instead of doing the old-school thing of making counterfeit Gibsons, they could make counterfeit bottom-of-the-barrel instruments instead, peghead logos and all. The instruments would look intentionally awful, but sound fabulous.

    If nothing else, there'd be fewer worries about it getting stolen. Might even get an insurance discount! "Yes, it's actually a $15,000.00 mandolin, but it was designed to look like a garage-sale reject with top sinkage that the dog's been chewing on after it fell off the edge of the boat and got water damage and dried out kinda disassembled and warped-like so we used it for a flowerpot out in the backyard for a while before junior here glued it back together and put strings on it..."

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    I've owned instruments far superior to my playing level for almost 40 years. You get used to it after a while.
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    If I had to get rid of all the instruments that I was not worthy of . . . I would be playing a shoe box with rubber bands on it . . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Scott View Post
    So, to clarify, my question really was, "Is there such a thing as actual reverse MAS or do you think it is just MAS masquerading......? My opinion is that it's the latter.
    Reverse MAS would be net fewer mandolins and extra cash in your pocket. Trading down one for one is a strain of the virus I'm not familiar with but I suspect in the end it's still just MAS.

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    The solution is SAS (skill acquisition syndrome), aka "practising"
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