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    That's possibly the weirdest thing i've ever read on here !!. I'm with Allen Hopkins on this one - that's a tad more than simply ghoulish !!!,
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    I'm bidding for his toe-nail clippings.

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    Things are looking up. I own a mandolin which used to bear Bill Monroe's signature! - http://www.mandolinarchive.com/gibson/serial/23871

    How much is it worth?

    It's now gone but I do have the Shadow pickup if anyone wants it!

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    Will Bill's rattlesnake rattle be included, I wonder ... that would be some serious ju-ju for the mojo-less.

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    I wonder is THIS even possible? Selling rights to use name etc.?
    I'm completely lost in this US way of thinking one can OWN and sell rights to everything or get patents on stuff no one yet discovered or invented...
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    Well protecting the name and likeness of an artist can be important to maintain the integrity of their heritage built up over a lifetime and to ensure they can be of benefit to the persons estate after they're gone. It is about the best legal tool there is so far without resorting to courts every time something is wanted to be used, by legally assigning & guaranteeing the control then there is a solid basis for controlling potential abuse. Nothing to say those holding the rights couldn't try to abuse that later on, however they have a vested interested in preserving the integrity of the use, so that normally helps to prevent cheapening of the heritage.
    This is one where you just have to hope for a sale to a buyer who values the integrity of the Bill Monroe name and legacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanzy View Post
    Well protecting the name and likeness of an artist can be important to maintain the integrity of their heritage built up over a lifetime and to ensure they can be of benefit to the persons estate after they're gone. It is about the best legal tool there is so far without resorting to courts every time something is wanted to be used, by legally assigning & guaranteeing the control then there is a solid basis for controlling potential abuse. Nothing to say those holding the rights couldn't try to abuse that later on, however they have a vested interested in preserving the integrity of the use, so that normally helps to prevent cheapening of the heritage.
    This is one where you just have to hope for a sale to a buyer who values the integrity of the Bill Monroe name and legacy.
    I was thinking of SELLING it. I can inherit things from my parents or copyrights for things they invented, but use of name? inherit perhaps, but sell to third person just sounds weird to me.
    BTW, was the "B(r)and" name of BM and Bluegrass Boys trademarked?
    I think these things should expire in 10-15 years just like patents and then become public domain.
    I wouldn't like my kids just live out of my work and become lazy just because they inherited some safe income....
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoGo View Post
    I wonder is THIS even possible? Selling rights to use name etc.?
    I'm completely lost in this US way of thinking one can OWN and sell rights to everything or get patents on stuff no one yet discovered or invented...
    "The chief business of the American people is business" … and litigation.

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    Yep selling it on can be risky & it's always weird when things get treated as a commodity, especially something so human as a persona. The problem is if it's not held by someone & just gets released back into the wild then it can just degenerate into a mess with all sorts of chancers selling any old tat off the back of a respected name. Most people don't, but there's enough who wouldn't hesitate so it ends up like the CheGuevara image on tee-shirts, mugs & fluffy slippers. Definitely a strange area though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanzy View Post
    … CheGuevara fluffy slippers ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warren H View Post
    My first thought when I read this was "James." But--what do I know.
    Could be coincidence, but likely not, that his 1944 D-28 is for sale at Gruhn.

    http://guitars.com/inventory/aa9688-1944-martin-d-28

    AA9688, Martin D-28, 1944, VG++, owned and used by James Monroe since 1967 (includes handwritten letter from James and picture of James with guitar), custom neck inlay by Randy Wood, professionally repaired peghead crack (structurally strong and inconspicuous), professionally repaired top cracks, neck reset and refretted by Gruhn Guitars, excellent sound and playability, HC... REDUCED FROM $35,000 ...$34,000.00
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray(T) View Post
    Things are looking up. I own a mandolin which used to bear Bill Monroe's signature! - http://www.mandolinarchive.com/gibson/serial/23871

    How much is it worth?

    It's now gone but I do have the Shadow pickup if anyone wants it!
    It's priceless...plus $1.

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    Perhaps there will be a Bill Monroe branded mandolin in the future?
    A quarter tone flat and a half a beat behind.

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    We could help by writing some themed descriptions of the items for sale:

    Enjoy a crisp Chardonnay on the newly remodeled front porch,
    Late in the evening, about sundown, high on the hill and above the town,
    Or enjoy the comfort indoors in Uncle Pen's newly air conditioned log cabin.


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    http://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/02/us...-run-deep.html

    This reminds me of the Lone Cypress tree on 17 Mile Drive in Carmel (see link). Back in 1989, I was stopped by a guard and prohibited from taking a picture of the tree because I had a “professional” camera and could not prove that I wasn’t taking the picture for commercial purposes.

    This “sale” of Bill Monroe’s Estate could be as benign as trying to determine the worth of BM as a person. Or it could mean that someone could control who and how BM’s name, home, photos/illustrations, etc. are used. Which might mean that anytime someone posted Bill’s picture or name or even the cabin, that person could have to pay a royalty or face legal charges.

    Just follow the money…

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    Quote Originally Posted by NursingDaBlues View Post
    This “sale” of Bill Monroe’s Estate could be as benign as trying to determine the worth of BM as a person. Or it could mean that someone could control who and how BM’s name, home, photos/illustrations, etc. are used. Which might mean that anytime someone posted Bill’s picture or name or even the cabin, that person could have to pay a royalty or face legal charges.
    IANAL disclaimer again -- however, "Fair Use" in copyright law allows a wide range of non-commercial use of photos, film, and video (up to a point) without paying royalties. If you use Bill's image in a commercial context, for profit, then royalties would kick in. As they should.

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    There's a little lonesome graveyard
    On the tombstone there it says
    William Smith Monroe, September 13, 1911 - September 9, 1996
    Copyright 2017, all rights reserved, not to be used without permission


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    Hmmmm....

    Who here wouldn't want to own a set of tuners or a bridge that once graced "the mandolin"?
    That peghead overlay went for a goodly sum when it was auctioned off.

    Things like checks and other papers would certainly be collectible, as are the personal papers of other famous individuals.

    As for the name "Blue Grass Boys"? I can see Ricky picking that up.

    If the name "Bill Monroe" comes with rights to residuals, royalties, etc. (not sure how much of these "survive" after one's death), there still might be worth to owning that. Maybe Ricky will bid on that, too (or, Marty Stuart).

    One man's trash is another's treasure.

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    And today I need an answer
    And all my lawyers, hear them say
    My family name is now a trademark
    If you use it, you must pay

    "Sweet Blue-Eyed Darlin'"
    But Amsterdam was always good for grieving
    And London never fails to leave me blue
    And Paris never was my kinda town
    So I walked around with the Ft. Worth Blues

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    How could we rewrite "Foolskinner Blues" ?
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    I own a Billl Monroe LP - ''Bluegrass Ramble'', bearing his signature along with that of Lamar Grier - your's for only $69,000 US - so i can buy that stupendous 1929 Gibson F5 'Fern' at the Music Emporium. Offers above that amount will be considered - & HOW !!!,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Kelsall View Post
    I own a Billl Monroe LP - ''Bluegrass Ramble'', bearing his signature along with that of Lamar Grier - your's for only $69,000 US - so i can buy that stupendous 1929 Gibson F5 'Fern' at the Music Emporium. Offers above that amount will be considered - & HOW !!!,
    Ivan
    Insert Bill Monroe's rattlesnake rattle through the f-holes on this and exchange its existing tuners for those cadged off his mandolin and … and … see Venice and die …

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    Quote Originally Posted by billkilpatrick View Post
    Will Bill's rattlesnake rattle be included, I wonder ... that would be some serious ju-ju for the mojo-less.
    OH Boy not the rattler again But I will take one of Bill's favorite pens then I will become him and write some soon to be classics

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    A Tupac - Monroe collaboration.

    To the poster who asked above. I imagine owning the name and image gives you the licensing rights. So you can get money any time a recording is done, tshirst, caps, pins, cologne, jewellery and yes mandolin strings bridges signature guitars posters.

    How much would this be worth?

    From my vantage point in Australia Monroe is known by a smallish coterie but deeply loved. Walking around the country music hall of fame and coming here he is deeply loved by many.

    Certainly somewhere under elvis. But I imagine if the owner was smart and tasteful you could make a good investment out of it

    My absolute guess is that the family own it and want to see the name promoted but lack the skills and knowledge to do it properly. But I may be completely wrong.

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