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    Question Scalloped fretboard on a mandolin?

    Hi guys, I've been thinking of the different ways to make a mandolin fret easier, and I know that taller frets help with that(if I'm not mistaken), but what about scalloping the fretboard like they do sometimes on Electric guitars and basses? Would that have the same effect on a mandolin? And would it be worth trying? Has anyone done that before with good results? Thanks, Jesse
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    Default Re: Scalloped fretboard on a mandolin?

    It looks like A LOT of unnecessary work to me. Scalloped fret board or not you still have to push the strings just far enough to reach the frets. If may be worth the effort if you want to "bend" the strings.
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    Default Re: Scalloped fretboard on a mandolin?

    Looks really cool anyway.
    I cant imagine it would make any difference to most experienced players apart from feeling weird but I would love try out that design.

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    Default Re: Scalloped fretboard on a mandolin?

    Quote Originally Posted by fox View Post
    Looks really cool anyway.
    I cant imagine it would make any difference to most experienced players apart from feeling weird but I would love try out that design.
    Adam Steffey used to play Northfield with scalloped board. There was some discussion about it (pic included) year or so ago... They mentioned he had some problem with left hand (injury?) and that should help him play easier.
    I think on basses or electric guitars it can be useful for certain left hand techniques, but on mandolin very limited use. Typical wire is 0.04" tall and I don't know anyone capable of pushing string course that far with one finger.
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    scalloped fretboards require a very delicate fingering touch, lest you get a LOT of sharp notes. even more difficult to maintain even string pressure with chords. think about a bunch and you'll realize why very few artists have turned to the scalloped board, and why fewer yet have learned to use it effectively.
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    Default Re: Scalloped fretboard on a mandolin?

    The main benifit to a scalloped board is the ease of bending notes. Even on guitar many only scallop the upper frets. I also would worry about neck strength as the board does provide some and a mandolin neck is pretty slim to start with.

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    As rfd mentioned I would be concerned with intonation. Since mandolins have a much shorter scale than guitars I would think that would possibly make the instrument play even more out of tune.
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    Default Re: Scalloped fretboard on a mandolin?

    It might be just the solution for the player seeking that space between C and C# though...
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    Default Re: Scalloped fretboard on a mandolin?

    I can see how it would go sharp easier I reckon, and thanks for the input guys, an interesting topic...lol. I currently use light gauge strings, but would using medium or even heavy gauge strings help combat it going sharp with the scalloped fretboard? Or would that be counterproductive?
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    Default Re: Scalloped fretboard on a mandolin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skaggs2.0 View Post
    I can see how it would go sharp easier I reckon, and thanks for the input guys, an interesting topic...lol. I currently use light gauge strings, but would using medium or even heavy gauge strings help combat it going sharp with the scalloped fretboard? Or would that be counterproductive?
    Heavy strings = more tension = harder to bend strings and accidentally play sharp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skaggs2.0 View Post
    but what about scalloping the fretboard like they do sometimes on Electric guitars and basses?
    I am just curious: have you ever played a guitar that had a scalloped fretboard? Is it really easier to play that one that is flat and has good action?
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    Default Re: Scalloped fretboard on a mandolin?

    Scalloped fretboard? Why not, everything is so much cooler and artisan sounding when you put "scalloped" before it. Scalloped braces, scalloped fretboard, scalloped peghead, scalloped tuners, scalloped top, scalloped frets, I say yes to scalloped.

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    Default Re: Scalloped fretboard on a mandolin?

    I have the scalloped top.
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    I'd like to see Yngwie Malmsteen playing an electric mandolin with a scalloped fretboard.

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    good grief, is there any common sense left in mando-lando?

    scallops are for suppers, not fretboards.
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    Default Re: Scalloped fretboard on a mandolin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    I am just curious: have you ever played a guitar that had a scalloped fretboard? Is it really easier to play that one that is flat and has good action?
    No I haven't, just seen pictures of them and read a little about them. I just find myself having to press hard to get clear notes on my Kentucky mandolin, and I played a Buckeye mandolin several years ago that was a breeze to fret, looking back now I think it had jumbo frets. Just trying to think of different ways to possibly make mine fret any easier. I have the action as low as it will go without buzzing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    I am just curious: have you ever played a guitar that had a scalloped fretboard? Is it really easier to play that one that is flat and has good action?
    i have both played and worked on scalloped guitar fretboards for customers far more than i'd like. those poor folks with their yngvie fetish never realized the grief they were in for in attempting to master (or just cope!) with a wavy gravy board that the player must decide when each fretted string has had enuf finger pressure to allow an in tune true note sound and not use too much finger pressure to make that fretted string go sharp. think: ravi shankar sitar effect. and chords? wooooo hooooo! ... good luck!
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    Default Re: Scalloped fretboard on a mandolin?

    With careful finger placement, the string need never hit anything but fingertip and fret. That's what I practiced for years on classical guitar. My fingerboard would remain untouched and polished. Aim directed movement from fret to fret.
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    I'm definitely lapsing into curmudgeon land... my first and only thought was : no. The whole Yngvie Malmstein thing (sp) has screwed up more guitar fingerboards than can be counted....with only a fraction of players really mastering it. It's an awefully expensive experiment IMO.

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    Default Re: Scalloped fretboard on a mandolin?

    Scalloped potatoes will be on the menu soon, I think! Scalloped fingerboard....not so much!
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    How about a scalloped back?
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    I just find myself having to press hard to get clear notes on my Kentucky mandolin
    When I catch myself pushing harder to get clean notes I take a good hard look at finger placement, angle, orientation, etc. and it usually solves the problem.

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