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    Two frets per finger and up the neck. FFcP patterns would start and center around the 5th fret for better spacing and movability up (and down) the neck. Also, a little more emphasis on 3-note accompaniment chord blocks that can be easily transposed to other keys.
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    Thanks for the clarification Ted. But centering everything around the 5th fret would kill it for me. The reason I went from mandolin to tenor based tunings was to get the lower voicing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD View Post
    Would you use single fret per finger FFcP or, like mandolin, two frets per finger?
    That depends on the scale length. Often though I mix fingerings on larger instruments in the mando/tenor banjo family.

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    I'm interested in why 2 frets.
    I use cello fingering on the TG (incorporates shifting and 1/2 positions as standard parts of most scales) for fluidity and speed.
    I'm missing what might be the advantage in locking things in to something like 2 fingers per fret on anything over about 16".
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    This will be controversial, but understand the approach is coming from mandolin (not cello or guitar) and the bulk of this is to develop closed finger playing. This is a jazz approach, very little (if nothing) in open string playing. The goal is to play in the "horn" keys and be able to move quickly into the rapidly shifting tonal centers of jazz.

    Admittedly, it won't be everybody's cup of tea, especially if you're only interested in folk or Celtic music on the tenor. It won't be a comprehensive approach to the instrument. I'll leave that to another author to tackle drones and alternate tunings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandocarver View Post
    I'd actually put in a plea for GDAE tuning because people who tune CGDA can already access a lot of tenor banjo material whereas, to my knowledge, there's nothing jazz-oriented out there for the GDAE-tuned TG.
    I have a copy of "Beginning Jazz Method for Tenor (Banjo, Guitar & Mandola) published by the California Banjo Institute. It covers jazz basics and includes samples in both CGDA and DGBE tunings. GDAE could be the same as CGDA but in a different key I would think.
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    I get the closed position playing, that's why I uses cello fingering which includes shifts and extensions as standard.
    But two per fret seems to be limiting for longer scale instruments in 5ths.
    I hope it works out ok for you, I know the commitment that goes into pulling a book together & wouldn't like to see you cut off too many potential buyers by offering a niche technique within an already small niche on 5th strung instruments.
    Should you try to pitch it at the Chicago tuning then so it makes more guitar type sense?
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    The two "traditional" tenor books (Blues and Jazz) I own both have a strong focus on FFCP chording but the positions are all up around the 7th and higher frets where the spacing is close enough for that to happen on a 23" scale instrument.
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    Count me in...ready to buy!

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    I'm a huge Jazz fan, and I'm a relative newcomer to tenor guitar...8 yrs into it now. What does FFcP mean?....and what is the logic behind two frets per finger mandolin playing? I'm trying to internalize all things fifths tuning, being a bluegrass five string banjo player for many a year. Please tell me your individual thinking on your fretboard.

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    FFcP for mandolin.
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    Thank You Ted, I'm going to work on these position transitions. Very Cool.

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    One of my first projects is transposing my 4 part "Vamps" series from the mandolin fretboard to tenor. The positions are all here in the free Cafe Lessons Page, albeit a 5th higher than on tenor. If you can make the GDAE transposition to CGDA (think down a 5th), all the chord relationships are the same. You could print the PDFs off and cross out the mandolin chord and replace with tenor for the time being.



    In other words, the above example would transpose to G, Am, Bm, C on tenor.
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    I just recently acquired a beautiful old tenor guitar...a Stromberg-Voisonet from the late 20's early 30's and would love to have a book as you describe. I know they play identically to a Mandola when tuned CGDA, which is where I plan to begin.
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    Any updates on this? You are a huge resource for me. I started your FFcP on mandolin and have apparently followed in your footsteps playing mostly tenor guitar. Id definitely pay $15 to learn your approach to the TG. Im currently working through your jazz mandolin book on my BR40T tuned GDAE dont even have to transpose, Just stretch ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Eschliman View Post
    Two frets per finger and up the neck. FFcP patterns would start and center around the 5th fret for better spacing and movability up (and down) the neck. Also, a little more emphasis on 3-note accompaniment chord blocks that can be easily transposed to other keys.

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    I'm also working at the Getting into Jazz Mandolin Book.
    Something similar for Tenor Guitar would be a great resource.
    Would definitely buy a copy.
    Spiral bound would be good.

    cheers

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    Are there any developments with this idea Ted? There certainly seemed to be a fair amount of interest in the book.

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    If you can make me play this https://youtu.be/aTjm60tm2WY
    Then take my money already

    (Safari on my iPad seems incompatible with embedding videos on the forum - something to check)
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    Here’s the text that you could write to get it to work (it’s just memorizing the format that’s not so easy, good luck)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of the Badgers View Post
    If you can make me play this https://youtu.be/aTjm60tm2WY
    Then take my money already

    (Safari on my iPad seems incompatible with embedding videos on the forum - something to check)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of the Badgers View Post
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    The John Lawlors, nephew has posted on these pages in the past, I was sure he said there would be more videos but that was years ago!
    Yes the video linking doesn’t work for me either ... it used to work but something changed about a year back.
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    I would be interested if you are still considering this project (jazz tenor guitar).

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    Trad Jazz Bands had tenor banjo players, Then came Eddie Lang .. .. .. & Bandleaders then wanted Guitar players ,
    so Buying the Tenor Guitar allowed all those guys to keep their job in the bands ..

    Or soi the story is told .. Ought to be old Jazz band Scores out there..




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    Quote Originally Posted by mandroid View Post
    Trad Jazz Bands had tenor banjo players, Then came Eddie Lang .. .. .. & Bandleaders then wanted Guitar players ,
    so Buying the Tenor Guitar allowed all those guys to keep their job in the bands ..

    Or soi the story is told .. Ought to be old Jazz band Scores out there..
    There are old dance band and jazz scores, stock arrangements, etc., but they usually just name the chords, no diagrams.

    BTW, in the New Orleans days of early jazz, the guitar was often used before the 4 (or 6) string banjo, which came a little later:






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