In and Out pentatonic table

[PhilGox]

Hello,

Long ago I had a good theory lesson on pentatonic scales.
The teacher had gave me a table which showed all the pentatonic scales you can play on a given tonic chord.
I remember the purpose was to easily switch to in and out phrases and add tension to solos.

This table names the tonic I in column one and then all the pentatonic scales (ex: II, V etc..) from the more "in" to the more "out".

Alas... I have lost this magic table and all my researches on the web failed.

Does anyone know what I am talking about?
If yes could you tell me where to find this table please?
I think it can be very usefull tool for jazz mandolinists too.

Thanks in advance

[Michael Neverisky]

Interesting. Do mean where, say, the note C appears at a different degree?

1st					C	d	e	g	a
2nd				bFlat	C	d	f	g
3rd			aFlat	bFlat	C	dFlat	f
4th		f	g	a	C	d
5th	eFlat	f	g	bFlat	C

My guess, playing over a C chord, from "in" to "out" would be where the
note C was found at scale degree 1st, 4th, 2nd, 5th and 3rd and the most "out".

[PhilGox]

I try to give an exemple of what I remember:

For exemple in a tune in C major, the C major pentatonic scale is the most "in" because it contains only the notes of the C major scale.
The Gb major pentatonic is the most "out" because it contains mostly notes that are not in C major scale.
Suppose you want to play very out for a while you just have to start the major pentatonic scale on Gb.
The table I'm looking for gives you all those starting notes from the most in to the most out.
But I can't remember it...

Jazz trumpeters use this pentatonic system to add tension notes to their solos.
It's an easy way to skip to in and out.
And I thought this would be easier on mandolin because you just have to learn pentatonics by visual patterns on the fret board.

I hope someone will see what I am talking about or I will feel lonely.

[T.D.Nydn]

PhilGox...I believe you are talking about "pentatonic substitution". This is one of my greatest tools to alter my sound and my notes. For example,,the C pentatonic,,,if you move up to a fifth, you are playing now like George Benson, move it up. I don't know of any charts, but the book "Technique book 1 -by Frank Gambale" will show you almost everything on pentatonic substitution (untill you get to book 2)..it is guitar based, but the theory is easy to understand and easy to transfer to other instruments....

[pops1]

If you move the pentatonic up a fifth it works great on the five chord, but you would be playing a little dissonant on the one, playing a B while the rest are playing a C. Or am I missing something?

[T.D.Nydn]

You would play it on the one, it would add a little dissonance, If I remember,,in the major scale, you can extract major pentatonics from the I, IV, and V. The V would produce a B. yes, I don't think in terms of note names to much, I just shift forms around and my ear tells me where I want to go..

[PhilGox]

Yeessss!!!

Thank you T.D.Nydn for giving me the light!

I've searched "pentatonic substitutions" and I've found this:
http://hubguitar.com/music-theory/su...te-pentatonics
And this: http://people.uncw.edu/russellr/OutsidePents.html
This is exactly what I was looking for.
Shifting the same pentatonic scale to play in or out.
I've tried it this afternoon on mandolin and it works very easy to play jazzy things.
(I say "jazzy things" because there is still a long time working before I can say I play Jazz )

Anyway thanks all for interest and help

[pops1]

You would play it on the one, it would add a little dissonance, If I remember,,in the major scale, you can extract major pentatonics from the I, IV, and V. The V would produce a B. yes, I don't think in terms of note names to much, I just shift forms around and my ear tells me where I want to go..

I am the same way and don't think of notes, but needed it to make sure what I was saying was understood. I may try this, thanks.