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    I sent you a PM on one that is under $400.
    Odd, I never saw your message. I just checked my user settings, all normal, I should have been notified of a PM, hmm.

    Currently I am thinking Brazil, maybe. Online prices at least seem very reasonable, the issue would be finding a trusted seller, then having it shipped to the USA.

    It seems 1k buys a lot of mandolin in Brazil, though now I can afford a little more than when I originally created this topic.

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    Don Dv: that poster sent you that PM almost a year ago.

    Good luck on the bandolim from Brazil. I actually saw one by Rozini. That is a budget brand and probably will have solid top and laminated back and sides. I have a cavaquinho of that brand and it is decent.

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    I just bought a 10 string Weber Yellowstone f style mandola. Seller said it had been dropped and that the top had sinkage when using 10 strings. Didn’t look that bad to me in the photos so, after consulting with Bruce I bought it. Sent it to Bruce for a “once over.” After new frets, new bridge and a few cosmetic touch ups got it back. Looks and sounds fantastic. Bruce said to build it today would cost somebody $10K. He estimated it’s current value for insurance purposes at $7K. So I wound up with a $7K instrument for a fraction of that, including repair and tweaks. I am much pleased.
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    Ranger Bob: can you post some photos or even a recording. I don’t know if I ever saw a 10-string Weber. Also, what is the scale length?
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    OK Jim,
    A little more back story: When I talked to Bruce he said it is normal to have a little top leveling, especially with a 10 stringer. He put a new bridge on it. It had the original "S" base which he doesn't use anymore and put on an offset top. The new bridge base has a little wider footprint which helps to reduce the perception of (or actual) top leveling. The tuners are Waverly guitar singles modified to fit. Allen TP. Scale is 17". The .12's 1st course was what Bruce had intended. I find they are OK for a D but are at breaking point tuned to E. So, I am experimenting with maybe a lighter 1st course to tune to E. Meantime, having it tuned to D is more like my cittern tuning and I'm working well with it. Posting these pics has tested the limits of my technical skills. When I recover I will try to post an sound clip. See? I couldn't even get the pictured turned correctly! BTW, Bruce said he only made 3 of these.
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    I forgot to add that Bruce also put on a new nut and planed and re-fretted. The fret board work wasn't necessary right now but the truss rod was maxed out and it would have been needed sooner rather than later. He also smoothed out the speed neck which had some roughness.
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    Strange to have a .012 tuned to E for a 17" scale. D'Addario J74 has .011 as E strings and the scale is usually under 14". I woul go much lighter I would think.

    BTW what exactly is an "offset top"?
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    Offset bridge top/saddle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    Strange to have a .012 tuned to E for a 17" scale. D'Addario J74 has .011 as E strings and the scale is usually under 14". I woul go much lighter I would think.

    BTW what exactly is an "offset top"?
    Exactly about the .12. I am going to try .10 and .09 just to see how they work.
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    I have some bad news.

    A plain steel string will break fairly quickly when tuned to G#4 at a scale length of 25.5". if the string is thicker, it is stronger, but needs more tension to get to pitch. If the string is thinner, it requires less tension, but will break at around that pitch.

    A plain steel string will break at a pitch of D#5 at a scale length of 17", for the same reasons.

    You need a maximum scale length of around 15" to get comfortably to E5. You are a few inches longer than that, so D5 is pretty much your highest pitch if you expect strings to last at all.

    Sorry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    Maybe you can settle for a mandola for that lower sound? Like this Trinity College mandola in your price range?

    I am not sure of his pricing but Dudu Maia plays a 10-string bandolim by Pedro Santos. I have a feeling it is above $1000 but you can check...

    i love jacob do bandolin. i had a cassette years ago then flound a cd and a few years ago found a book of tabs for that cd. gotta learn a few.

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    there is a relatively insexpensive short scale cittern in the classifieds now--not mine-- by our long term friend nick appollonio from maine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Explorer View Post
    I have some bad news.

    A plain steel string will break fairly quickly when tuned to G#4 at a scale length of 25.5". if the string is thicker, it is stronger, but needs more tension to get to pitch. If the string is thinner, it requires less tension, but will break at around that pitch.

    A plain steel string will break at a pitch of D#5 at a scale length of 17", for the same reasons.

    You need a maximum scale length of around 15" to get comfortably to E5. You are a few inches longer than that, so D5 is pretty much your highest pitch if you expect strings to last at all.

    Sorry!
    Thanks. I agree. Bruce was able to get .12's to work with E5 but, broke some in the process. I have found that D5 works just fine and is close to the tuning I used for my cittern. So, I am making some adjustments and I will keep the 1st course tuned to D5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    Don Dv: that poster sent you that PM almost a year ago.
    Yes, unfortunately I only saw it very recently, so I was surprised about not catching it sooner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    Good luck on the bandolim from Brazil. I actually saw one by Rozini. That is a budget brand and probably will have solid top and laminated back and sides. I have a cavaquinho of that brand and it is decent.

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    Apparently they do not sell direct, I guess they have some of the same concerns I have, about reliability or something.

    Maybe I need to post a separate topic concerning buying from Brazil.

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