For restoration work, there is no substitute.Originally Posted by (Desert Rose @ April 27 2005, 09:07)
The same could be said for ebony, spruce, maple, etc.
For restoration work, there is no substitute.Originally Posted by (Desert Rose @ April 27 2005, 09:07)
The same could be said for ebony, spruce, maple, etc.
John Hamlett
www.hamlettinstruments.com
I think the Siminoff stuff is "side bound" as it it .065", whereas the "top bound" stuff would be more like .090" - .110" or something like that.
Hans, I have one strip of blk/whi from LMI, so I just tried bonding it to itself with very thin Duco and got the same result. It doesn't even touch it and it falls apart.
Aww H---! Guess there will be a return to LMI!
Thanks Jim.
I'm thrilled to see that my efforts to save the world from fiery destruction are taking hold. I and other concerned citizens(activism is my life)are encouraging SM and other suppliers to desist in offering dangerous and deleterious products to the naive and,well..ignorant,public, where they will,no doubt contribute to overweight,toenail fungus,and post- traumatic ####### syndrome. I speak specificaly of WOOD,which is notoriously flammable and a dust hazard.Also GLUE which contributes not only to self immolation,but teenage delinquency. And,by the way,I'm not sure some of their tools are doing the fricking Snail Darters any good either.
For what it's worth,I've flash burnt a ton of that #@ZZ!?%
.090 ivoroid without apparent damage except for an annoying whistliing noise when I pee.
Jim
This is not good. SM was the only place with the solid white and the thin B/W celluloid for 30's pickguards.
I've read all of these posts and get the impression that aside from ivoroid, nobody has found any W/B or white anywhere? I've had the same bad experience with LMI's white and W/B
dgw
Darryl G. Wolfe, The F5 Journal
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The sky is not falling. There is life after Stew-Mac. I can't understand their position, but hey, it's their choice, not ours. About the only thing left for me to buy there are my Waverly tuners for guitars, I guess...
Anyhow, GW Musical in Toronto has both ivoroid and TS bindings. In fact, his TS bindings are a bit lighter in color and look better(to my eyes) than the stuff SM carried.
http://www.thindesign.com/gwmusical/
I believe that there is a "licenced shipper of flammable products" law or code that is very expensive to attain. #I have to travel and hand carry my tortoise plastic from my supplier because he/they will not break the law by shipping it to me.
I think you will notice that Stew-Mac boxes (with your binding in it)are not marked "Flammable" even though they state in their catalog "cannot ship by Air/out of country"
This is probably the jist of the whole deal.
Darryl G. Wolfe, The F5 Journal
www.f5journal.com
I have been making bindings by laminating acrylic sheets cut int strips. Much more color choices, but then again, I don't make traditional F5's. The acrylic cements act very similar to acetone with celluloid. You can do the melting thing on the miters and joints between point protectors and binding. The biggist drawback is having to warm and shape the binding before you laminate the strips - the laminated interfaces don't take well to a lot of heat and bending, particularly on sharp curves.
The Duco-type cements will work with the acrylic, but I prefer epoxy tinted to the color of the inside strip of binding.
MLAtkinson
...do guitar players get GAS?
darryl,
yes there is a law about flammable shipments, but pitt/ohio (a trucking firm) will deliver. (i worked for a while for a biotech firm- talk about flammable) we used them
when there was something flammable we needed shipped. just a suggestion.
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artdeco, how do you tint the epoxy and what type are yopu using? Thanks John
My avatar is of my OldWave Oval A
Creativity is just doing something wierd and finding out others like it.
Not sure about the brand of epoxy until I get home to take a look at it, but it's just the stuff you find hanging on the walls at Ace, etc. You can get it in clear and black and one formulated just for plastic in cream. For other colors I just use analine dyes in alcohol. It thins the epoxy a bit, but does not seem to affect the cure. You have to be a bit more careful with the stuff you dye because it will stain the wood. If I get really paranoid about that I just seal the parts I want to protect with shellac and sand it off during the finishing process. Once the epoxy sets up the dye will not bleed out of it. I use the black stuff to do inlay on Ebony - usually add a little dye to it to make sure it's black enough.
MLAtkinson
...do guitar players get GAS?
Here is my First attempt of binding
but , now I see my mando with different eyes
I have to play only when the sun goes down and stop playing when the sun comes up !! LOL
Jean Lacote
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jl-mando
John as a restoration specialist I agree totally that the old bindings have a place there for sure but so far we were talking about new building I think
As I mentioned in another thread if anyone wants tortise shell in red or brown, ivoriod in grained or yellowed wavy grain or whitepearloid all in cellulose nirate I can and do supply large quantities to people
Scott
Thanks, Scott. That's good to know.
John Hamlett
www.hamlettinstruments.com
So whats next... no celluloid picks either?
I'm wondering if StewMacs policy is driven by a solution for a problem that does not exist - sort of like the "no cellphone" rule at gas stations, where no problem has EVER been reported anywhere on the planet.
Stewmac is (was) only one supplier of celluliod binding material.
I don't think pick manufasturers get their material from Stewmac.
I suspect Stewmac's policy is a result of the very real problem of liability and the associated risks and expences.
John Hamlett
www.hamlettinstruments.com
With all of this said..do we have a source for white/black celluloid for inner lines and/or white standard bindings
Darryl G. Wolfe, The F5 Journal
www.f5journal.com
Hey all, International Violin sells Ivoriod binding along with other real wood and fiber bindings. The ivoroid is somewhat grained though
Hey Ken, Gary Vessel here. Can you send me a sample of your binding. Would love to buy it from you guys. Thanks
I didn't see that this has been posted yet but for what it's worth this is a link to tortis that Jgarber posted in another thread. It caught my eye because it looks so darn good and they will do custom colors and maybe even binding. Might be a bit pricey though. John
Tor tis
My avatar is of my OldWave Oval A
Creativity is just doing something wierd and finding out others like it.
Darryl, I've been hunting for a couple of days here...no luck yet. The LMI stuff definately does not work. I also need the BWB and BW not to mention B and W, all in 1/4". Stew-Mac is apparently looking to sell ABS as a substitute. Anyone know if ABS melts with Duco or Weldon? I have one possible last hope...might know something in a few days.
Neither.Originally Posted by (Hans @ April 29 2005, 17:50)
John Hamlett
www.hamlettinstruments.com
Double dirty dog rats!
They state on thier site that the ABS plastic binding can be laminated with acetone and glued to the instrument with thier Weldon glue. If that`s true I think I`ll use it for binding in future. I don`t know if any body has thought of it, but I might try some of the plastic casing that`s used for encasing elctric cables. It`s white, comes in 10 foot lengths, and would yeild a lot of strips for very little money. I can also get some plastic in black as a corner angle cover strip. Worth a try.
Bob Deacon
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