Pretty dang awesome Vernon. Dad must have been pretty pleased!
Did he up your allowance?
Pretty dang awesome Vernon. Dad must have been pretty pleased!
Did he up your allowance?
Bernie
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Due to current budgetary restrictions the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off -- sorry about the inconvenience.
OK. Well when the OP comes back with his pics I'll step aside -- meanwhile I'd like to try another idea on this mandolin neck break I am dealing with.
This new approach closer to Steve's idea of a spline and kind of draws on John's idea of what the shape of the ideal graft should look like (see post #31 in this string). This avoids end grain butt joint issues.
Why couldn't I just use a biscuit cutter and put a hard wood biscuit over the separation? See shown in the diagram below. It would be a neat clean repair with proper matching up the cutting wheel and the biscuit size/shape it should be a nice tight fit?
Last edited by Bernie Daniel; Aug-02-2015 at 11:09am.
Bernie
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Due to current budgetary restrictions the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off -- sorry about the inconvenience.
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I have seen lots of these newer Gibson Whatevers, broken in the neck/pegehead area and often because the case fell ...or it mysteriously occurred…
Those Grovers weigh I think 2 1/2 times the amount of the original Klusons that Gibsons used to use, really heavy machines… that and the fact that a huge amount of wood is removed for the truss rod nut …these breaks should not be a surprise, especially to Gibson, and I have recommended to people, if they love their guitar, that they switch back to some vintage style tuners ...like Kluson copies that are stamped, not cast.
It's about all that weight on a weak lever.
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Orcas Island Tonewoods
Free downloads of my mandolin CDs:
"Mandolin Graffiti"
"Mangler Of Bluegrass"
"Overhead At Darrington"
"Electric Mandolin Graffiti"
Here's what My Jam Master Gibson looks like.
Lots of good glue surface there.
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Hughes A model #1
1922 Gibson A-2
1958 Gibson A-5
Should be an easy repair with no splines required. Looks like it should go back together perfectly with very little wood missing. I just repaired a Les Paul Special that had an almost identical break and it came out fine.
Just make sure you take it to a competent luthier to do the repair. If you tell us what town you're near it might make it easier to recommend someone.
"It's comparable to playing a cheese slicer."
--M. Stillion
"Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them"
--J. Garber
I was told that hide glue & a "Back Strap", would do the job. My bummer is that my Gibson investment is now compromised, & I've lost the future investment value for my kids & wife, when I'm gone. Bottom line. I just want to play my nice Gibson mandolin.I would prefer a new neck, with the Gibson logo attached. I'm so glad I'm really a harmonica, Guitar, songwriter. Thinking there's a song in the works when this is all said & done.
Ummmm............errrrrr...........ahhhhh......... never mind.
Just out of curiosity, are we looking at maple or mahogany??
Nah, just glue it up...no "Back Strap".
But make a major effort to collect every single little shard that might be hanging around the case (or wherever)...
Did this happen while in the case?
I'm guessing "yes", and I'm also guessing that the case took a major hit at some point recently...
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"Mangler Of Bluegrass"
"Overhead At Darrington"
"Electric Mandolin Graffiti"
No splines, no dowels, no biscuits, it should be glued and clamped and don't buy instruments as investments.
Make sure you take it to a luthier that knows what they are doing (again). Whomever told you to put the back strip in isn't the guy.
This break was glued about 10 years ago by me and was undetectable after it was finished. It's still going strong. I used hide glue.
"It's comparable to playing a cheese slicer."
--M. Stillion
"Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them"
--J. Garber
Hey Bruce
Yes it has always been a problem but with Grover full size sealed gear tuners now it's considerably worse, I just weighed a set of original Klusons with butterfly buttons and a set of Rotmatics …both with their bushings
Klusons 147 grams, Grovers 260 grams… Quite a difference when your using a lever. It's another thing to keep in mind when choosing tuners… the ones with cast plates are gonna be heavier.
….Now…the tricky part gluing this break will be getting glue in those two splits on the left side (of the photo) they may not want to open much...
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"Mandolin Graffiti"
"Mangler Of Bluegrass"
"Overhead At Darrington"
"Electric Mandolin Graffiti"
I just noticed those tuners on the Jam Master are cast AND they even look extra heavy duty…
I'm pretty sure it's mahogany …which can be more fragile than maple as well.
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I agree maple is stronger than mahogany, as a rule. (you see a lot more Gibson's with broken pegheads than Fender's) Not sure I buy into the "heavy tuner" theory. This mandolin was damaged by an impact. It didn't just topple over because the tuners were too heavy.
Last edited by Jeff Mando; Aug-02-2015 at 10:54pm.
It's a maple neck, & I never dropped it. Honestly I just opened the case & found the neck cracked. I take care of all my instruments. I still own & play my original vinyl Beatles, Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, etc. They're in great condition. I grew up really poor, & I never had much in the way toys & such. As an adult the universe has taken care of me & my family, so I appreciate what has come my way. Folks I really appreciate all your advice, but this thread is getting a little out there with opinions that really don't need to be addressed. Thanks, & I'll take it from here. This is maybe the second time I've ever posted, & I've been on this site for a long time.
Good luck with your mandolin, string dude...
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"Mangler Of Bluegrass"
"Overhead At Darrington"
"Electric Mandolin Graffiti"
From the photos, the wood actually looks like mahogany, mahogany has a slight brownish colour to it, where as maple is white, the fracture line is also consistent to how mahogany can tear itself out.
Ive had guitars / mandolins / ukes and so forth come in with snapped necks and still in there case, just means the case has taken a jolt and fallen over, the string tension on the neck takes care of the rest and wolla its cracked.
It really is an easy repair that one, and done by someone who is good at it, will be practically invisible.
Gibson should be ashamed of there employee if he reckons its not repairable
Steve
There are a lot of iffy places on most vintage instruments neck to body and headstock area I've seen. The seller always says they are just fine. No damage here! It's just some imperfections in the wood. Their should be a disclosure of previous repairs in a perfect world. After reading this my trust is taking a nose dive.
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