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    Typographical errors abound, then add in that Noah Webster's standardized spelling is still decades away. I would think that "mandores" might be much closer to the Italian "mandorla" which refers to the almond shape that gave the mandolin its name. (mentioned in passing in "Mandolins, Like Salami" book.) I look forward to hearing other opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandophile View Post
    Typographical errors abound, then add in that Noah Webster's standardized spelling is still decades away. I would think that "mandores" might be much closer to the Italian "mandorla" which refers to the almond shape that gave the mandolin its name. (mentioneds in passing in my "Mandolins, Like Salami" book.) I look forward to hearing other opinions.
    Very interested in hearing opinions on this. I understand the nuances of early typography and spelling variations much better than I do mandolin history. I think "menteline" could easily be the same as "mandoline" but don't have the expertise to know. I would also be interested in opinions on what a "menteline" might be, if not a mandolin?
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    Thanks for mentioning your Mandolins Like Salami, Sheri, I found a copy at academia.edu and will read it with interest!
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    https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bp...ne%20mandoline
    this link should take you to p. 97. One might presume from this entry that these two terms are synonymous.

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    Thank you for that! It was my presumption from the first, and that entry strengthens it. If we assume that we are correct, it pushes back the first mention of mandolins in the New World a few years. Of particular interest to me is that Mr. Trippell is advertising the ability to build these instruments in the colonies, over a minimum 3 year span. Too bad we donít know what they may have actually been like, if any were actually built.
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    I have read the thread again, and there appears to be a prevailing assumption on the part of the experts here that an instrument of fine workmanship, or an instrument that exhibits qualities of e.g. European workmanship, could not have been built in the colonies in the 18th century. I can understand caution due to lack of solid evidence, but I believe they assume too much. Colonization began in force in the early 17th century. My Gunter ancestor migrated in 1623 and worked as a surveyor. These folk were not primitives, and they imported technology as well as flesh and bone. Printing presses were rolling here in the early 18th century.

    I think: It is one thing to withhold judgment due to a lack of evidence, and quite another to assume that no 18th century immigrant had the skill and motivation to fabricate a fine instrument, or to give it European characteristics. If I were to make an assumption lacking evidence, it would be to the contrary on both accounts.

    I’m offering that simply as an honest opinion, and no disrespect to the scholars who have given us so much enlightenment on other aspects of the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandophile View Post
    Typographical errors abound ...
    I inadvertently introduced a copyist error myself (as I was unable to cut and paste from the text I have) in my previous post #150, where I ommitted reference to the "English and Spanish Guittars" ... Correcting it here for accuracy. The full excerpt from Rossi reads like this:

    On 12 November 1764, and again on
    3 August 1767, instrument maker Jacob Trippell announced that he “makes and
    repairs all sorts of Violins, Base [sic] and Tenor Viols, English and Spanish Guittars
    [sic], Loutens, Mentelines, Mandores and Welsh Harps, at reasonable rates, as neat as
    in Europe, having work’t at the business nine years, with the best hands in London
    since I left Germany.”
    Barry Trott in post #142 offers a partial quote of this ad taken from Poulopoulos' dissertation; Poulopoulos credits Rossi 2004 with the quote. The ellipses were used presumably because both Rossi and Poulopoulos are most interested in guittars. The entire ad copy as shown above are taken from Rossi's 2002 paper I linked to in post #150.

    In his footnote#345 p. 213, Poulopoulos writes that "a guittar by Tripell made in London and dated 1761 survives in the Gemeentemuseum, Hague." It would be interesting to see photos of that instrument.
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