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    Yes, I knew Sim and Michael signed the underside of some of the tops. I even signed a few, but usually shied away from it. As far as which dealer Jacks mandolin came from is hard to say. Records were a bit sketchy at that time. You may be able to call Gibson customer service and see if they can help you. It may be a lost cause, but it cost you nothing to try.
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    Dacraw54 Looks like a Rick signature.
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    Is that a guess based on the signature or is Rick Gembar an actual person who worked at Gibson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacraw54 View Post
    Is that a guess based on the signature or is Rick Gembar an actual person who worked at Gibson?
    Bozeman had a actual Custom shop at the time.. and if Im not mistaken they were building Gibson Mandolins out of the old Flatiron Building in Belgrade Montana.. Ren Ferguson was part of Flatiron at the time prior to Heading up the Head Luthier posistion at Gibson Montana under Manager Larry English.. It went from Belgrade to Nashville.. I bet Ren would know a fair bit of who was Building those..

    a good friend of mind Bill Gonder did a artical about the whole ordeal.. he worked alond side of Ren and John , and Kevin and so on.

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    Gibson Flatiron is closing its mandolin plant in Belgrade and moving to Nashville, Tenn.

    The plant’s 32 employees were told Friday. All are being offered a job either in Nashville or with a sister plant, Gibson Guitar in Bozeman, said Bruce Weber, general manager of the mandolin plant.

    Gibson Flatiron opened on Frontage Road in Belgrade in April 1994. It and the guitar company are controlled from Gibson’s corporate headquarters in Nashville.

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    Rick was GM of the Gibson custom shop in 1994. He signed labels then.
    That is a real person.
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    Apparently he was let go by Gibson in 2017. Beloved by the Les Paul community. I just found a 1994 F5G label he signed.
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    I'll update the list as the OP hasn't been on in quite a while.

    Lloyd Loar (1922-1924) *
    Stanley E. Rendell (1970-1975) *
    Carl Spinoso (1976) *
    Wilbur D. Fuller (1978) *
    Richard J. Doan (1978-1981) *
    Aaron Cowles (1978-1984) *
    Herman Meints (1979-1980) *
    Rick Brown (1980) *
    Marvin Lamb (1980) *
    Donald L. Doans (1981)
    Jerry Rowland (1981) *
    Jim Triggs (1986-1989)
    Greg Rich (1989)
    Steve P. Carlson (1986-1993) *
    Rick Gembar (1994)
    Bill Monroe (1991-1995) *
    Phil Brug (1993-1994) *
    Bruce D. Weber (1993-1997) *
    Bobby Osborne (1993-1996) *
    Larry Barnwell (1994-1995) *
    Paul Schneider (1997-1998) *
    Simeon C. Daley (1998-2001) *
    Charles Derrington (1987-2005) *
    Danny Roberts (2001-2005) *
    Doyle Lawson (2003?)
    Casey Q. Sullivan (2005-2007) *
    Ricky Skaggs (2007-2008)
    David W. Harvey (2007-2015) *
    Sam Bush (2012) *
    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    Thank you,MikeE.

    I read and re-read the names in the ongoing list of Gibson mandolin signers/head luthiers etc. Lots to read between-
    the-lines as the years rolled by.

    Two of my mandolins have three of the names;Steve P. Carlson,Bill Monroe,and Charles Derrington.
    Yes,I'm bragging.

    Helps me make up for poor playing abilities.

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    Here is a name I have never seen on a Gibson label. Any idea who it is.


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    '02 Gibson master model #70327 02-01-02
    '25 Gibson A-4 Snakehead #82626
    '06 Hicks #1 and #2 F-5 still not done

    Gibson F-5 Master Model Registry

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    It looks to me to read Jeff Allen, which is apparently the name of a Gibson USA General Manager:

    https://www.lespaulforum.com/slubart...e/supreme.html

    I'm wondering if it's the same Jeff Allen who has managed Martin's Custom Shop.
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    Adding Jeff Allen.

    Lloyd Loar (1922-1924) *
    Stanley E. Rendell (1970-1975) *
    Carl Spinoso (1976) *
    Wilbur D. Fuller (1978) *
    Richard J. Doan (1978-1981) *
    Aaron Cowles (1978-1984) *
    Herman Meints (1979-1980) *
    Rick Brown (1980) *
    Marvin Lamb (1980) *
    Donald L. Doans (1981)
    Jerry Rowland (1981) *
    Jim Triggs (1986-1989)
    Greg Rich (1989)
    Steve P. Carlson (1986-1993) *
    Rick Gembar (1994)
    Bill Monroe (1991-1995) *
    Phil Brug (1993-1994) *
    Bruce D. Weber (1993-1997) *
    Bobby Osborne (1993-1996) *
    Larry Barnwell (1994-1995) *
    Paul Schneider (1997-1998) *
    Jeff Allen (2000) *
    Simeon C. Daley (1998-2001) *
    Charles Derrington (1987-2005) *
    Danny Roberts (2001-2005) *
    Doyle Lawson (2003?)
    Casey Q. Sullivan (2005-2007) *
    Ricky Skaggs (2007-2008)
    David W. Harvey (2007-2015) *
    Sam Bush (2012) *

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    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    This has recently surfaced. An A-5G from Montana with three signatures on the label. In the interest of maintaining this history the label is below. The signatures appear to be Neal Klemmer, Helen Beausoleil, and Jean Swan.
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    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    The new list would be:

    Lloyd Loar (1922-1924) *
    Stanley E. Rendell (1970-1975) *
    Carl Spinoso (1976) *
    Wilbur D. Fuller (1978) *
    Richard J. Doan (1978-1981) *
    Aaron Cowles (1978-1984) *
    Herman Meints (1979-1980) *
    Rick Brown (1980) *
    Marvin Lamb (1980) *
    Donald L. Doans (1981)
    Jerry Rowland (1981) *
    Jim Triggs (1986-1989)
    Greg Rich (1989)
    Steve P. Carlson (1986-1993) *
    Rick Gembar (1994)
    Bill Monroe (1991-1995) *
    Phil Brug (1993-1994) *
    Neal Klemmer, Helen Beausoleil, and Jean Swan (all signed the same label) (1996) *
    Bruce D. Weber (1993-1997) *
    Bobby Osborne (1993-1996) *
    Larry Barnwell (1994-1995) *
    Paul Schneider (1997-1998) *
    Jeff Allen (2000) *
    Simeon C. Daley (1998-2001) *
    Charles Derrington (1987-2005) *
    Danny Roberts (2001-2005) *
    Doyle Lawson (2003?)
    Casey Q. Sullivan (2005-2007) *
    Ricky Skaggs (2007-2008)
    David W. Harvey (2007-2015) *
    Sam Bush (2012) *

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    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    This has recently surfaced. An A-5G from Montana with three signatures on the label. In the interest of maintaining this history the label is below. The signatures appear to be Neal Klemmer, Helen Beausoleil, and Jean Swan.
    Was looking for something and saw this...in his Gibson/Flatiron Division years Bruce started teams of builders who built models from start to finish (except finish : ) and they got to sign them when proficient. People could also build their own instrument on their off hours for cost of materials. The mandos moved to Nashville before the whole thing really got into high gear. Helen is a long time builder, and still around.

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    Added a new year for Carl Spinoso. The new list is:

    Lloyd Loar (1922-1924) *
    Stanley E. Rendell (1970-1975) *
    Carl Spinoso (1976-1977) *
    Wilbur D. Fuller (1978) *
    Richard J. Doan (1978-1981) *
    Aaron Cowles (1978-1984) *
    Herman Meints (1979-1980) *
    Rick Brown (1980) *
    Marvin Lamb (1980) *
    Donald L. Doans (1981)
    Jerry Rowland (1981) *
    Jim Triggs (1986-1989)
    Greg Rich (1989)
    Steve P. Carlson (1986-1993) *
    Rick Gembar (1994)
    Bill Monroe (1991-1995) *
    Phil Brug (1993-1994) *
    Neal Klemmer, Helen Beausoleil, and Jean Swan (all signed the same label) (1996) *
    Bruce D. Weber (1993-1997) *
    Bobby Osborne (1993-1996) *
    Larry Barnwell (1994-1995) *
    Paul Schneider (1997-1998) *
    Jeff Allen (2000) *
    Simeon C. Daley (1998-2001) *
    Charles Derrington (1987-2005) *
    Danny Roberts (2001-2005) *
    Doyle Lawson (2003?)
    Casey Q. Sullivan (2005-2007) *
    Ricky Skaggs (2007-2008)
    David W. Harvey (2007-2015) *
    Sam Bush (2012) *

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    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    Added a new year for Carl Spinoso. The new list is:

    Lloyd Loar (1922-1924) *
    Stanley E. Rendell (1970-1975) *
    Carl Spinoso (1976-1977) *
    Wilbur D. Fuller (1978) *
    Richard J. Doan (1978-1981) *
    Aaron Cowles (1978-1984) *
    Herman Meints (1979-1980) *
    Rick Brown (1980) *
    Marvin Lamb (1980) *
    Donald L. Doans (1981)
    Jerry Rowland (1981) *
    Jim Triggs (1986-1989)
    Greg Rich (1989)
    Steve P. Carlson (1986-1993) *
    Rick Gembar (1994)
    Bill Monroe (1991-1995) *
    Phil Brug (1993-1994) *
    Neal Klemmer, Helen Beausoleil, and Jean Swan (all signed the same label) (1996) *
    Bruce D. Weber (1993-1997) *
    Bobby Osborne (1993-1996) *
    Larry Barnwell (1994-1995) *
    Paul Schneider (1997-1998) *
    Jeff Allen (2000) *
    Simeon C. Daley (1998-2001) *
    Charles Derrington (1987-2005) *
    Danny Roberts (2001-2005) *
    Doyle Lawson (2003?)
    Casey Q. Sullivan (2005-2007) *
    Ricky Skaggs (2007-2008)
    David W. Harvey (2007-2015) *
    Sam Bush (2012) *

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    Maybe the date range for David Harvey should be updated?
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    Updated to reflect David Harvey's continued activities.

    Lloyd Loar (1922-1924) *
    Stanley E. Rendell (1970-1975) *
    Carl Spinoso (1976-1977) *
    Wilbur D. Fuller (1978) *
    Richard J. Doan (1978-1981) *
    Aaron Cowles (1978-1984) *
    Herman Meints (1979-1980) *
    Rick Brown (1980) *
    Marvin Lamb (1980) *
    Donald L. Doans (1981)
    Jerry Rowland (1981) *
    Jim Triggs (1986-1989)
    Greg Rich (1989)
    Steve P. Carlson (1986-1993) *
    Rick Gembar (1994)
    Bill Monroe (1991-1995) *
    Phil Brug (1993-1994) *
    Neal Klemmer, Helen Beausoleil, and Jean Swan (all signed the same label) (1996) *
    Bruce D. Weber (1993-1997) *
    Bobby Osborne (1993-1996) *
    Larry Barnwell (1994-1995) *
    Paul Schneider (1997-1998) *
    Jeff Allen (2000) *
    Simeon C. Daley (1998-2001) *
    Charles Derrington (1987-2005) *
    Danny Roberts (2001-2005) *
    Doyle Lawson (2003?)
    Casey Q. Sullivan (2005-2007) *
    Ricky Skaggs (2007-2008)
    David W. Harvey (2007-2019) *
    Sam Bush (2012) *

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    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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