Re: Drop Box is now available for Italian 'ballo liscio' sheet mu
Originally Posted by Jim Garber
A continuing thanks to you, Sheri!!
Interesting that Grauso has Speranze Perdute but attributes it to P. Bolognese instead of A. Morelli. Same tune but slightly different arrangement.
It's also interesting to compare these American editions of the tune with Morelli's own edition published in Paris and available for free download (first mando only) from Michael Reichenbach's Mandoisland site. There are quite a few differences, the most obvious being the introduction in 6/8 time labelled "movimento di barcarola" which if nothing else suggest quite a slow tempo rather than the breakneck speed with which the waltz is often played by accordionists. The other annotations ("con dolcezza", "sentimentale" and "con dolore") also suggest a rather slower tune.
Re: Drop Box is now available for Italian 'ballo liscio' sheet mu
...I like this...to give context...Speranze has been the traditional bride and groom debut dance at Italian weddings as husband and wife...and since accordionists tended to front the band, too, well, it is at a faster dance tempo ( qtr note = 110+) than the slow waltz, thus ignoring the sweetness of a slower waltz. Blame it on the accordionist! LOL!
Re: Drop Box is now available for Italian 'ballo liscio' sheet mu
Originally Posted by Mandophile
...I like this...to give context...Speranze has been the traditional bride and groom debut dance at Italian weddings as husband and wife...and since accordionists tended to front the band, too, well, it is at a faster dance tempo ( qtr note = 110+) than the slow waltz, thus ignoring the sweetness of a slower waltz. Blame it on the accordionist! LOL!
No slight on you intended, Sheri, or on other sensible accordionists. 110bpm is perfectly OK for the tune, as is indeed the 132bpm you have notated in your book. That's the tempo I'm playing it at. I was more thinking of accordionists like this -- which sounds fine and not too hurried on accordion, but is really quite fast indeed once you try to play along:
Some mandolinists try matching that, but to my taste that's definitely too fast:
Re: Drop Box is now available for Italian 'ballo liscio' sheet mu
Originally Posted by Mandophile
...I like this...to give context...Speranze has been the traditional bride and groom debut dance at Italian weddings as husband and wife.
Hmmmm... does the married couple usually know of the title to that tune? "Lost Hope" seems like a very pessimistic tune to kick off a marriage tho it is a beautiful tune.
Jim
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Re: Drop Box is now available for Italian 'ballo liscio' sheet mu
it all depends on how much wine the accordionist has imbibed! I like to play it fast! the groom can catch the bride if it goes out of control! it is a kind of joke waltz played on the bachelors left standing??
Re: Drop Box is now available for Italian 'ballo liscio' sheet mu
Originally Posted by Beanzy
Thinking laterally; maybe it's the other suitors who must give up hope?
Ha! Beanzy, that is what I always 'hoped' was behind the tradition.
Martin, I agree with your assessment on the bpm on your video example (love the accordion stand...) relative to playing on the mandolin but from a dancing point of view, that is nothing but a fun speed to waltz to. Tiring, yes, but really fun.
I still love the tempo of the Mazurka del Medioveo horn version you turned me onto years ago--remember?
I play SP slower as well as I enjoy the contrasting tremolo parts with the quick runs. What a great tune!
Re: Drop Box is now available for Italian 'ballo liscio' sheet mu
I've got 57 titles from the publisher O. Pagani; they're revving their engines as I enter them into Excel spreadsheets and convert to PDFs. Stay tuned as more great classic ballo liscio titles are coming to your neighborhood! Quite a few Santi Tafarella, G. Tarantola, and a couple Becucci; I know Martin Jonas enjoys playing Tafarella; plus more Silvestri, delle Rosa. There's a fantastic arrangement of the William Tell pieces from Rossini--all beautifully woven together. Many of these titles are complete Trios. Aren't we lucky?
just in passing, I wanted to acknowledge Rudy Cipolla's birthday on Sunday, he would have been 114. A Chinese fortune cookie told him he would live to be 114; he didn't but his music is still being played. Happy Birthday Rudy.
Re: Drop Box is now available for Italian 'ballo liscio' sheet mu
The Rudy archive has not been coming along as fast as I would want. Bob Bruen got swamped, and so too myself. I'm hoping we can get back on track as it is my goal to put everything out there that Rudy ever wrote. Part of the daunting task for Rudymusic has always been his 'personalized' arrangements. Distinguishing parts that belong to a distinct, discrete arrangement has been a big problem. He wrote specifically for groups and/or individuals. so there are lots of versions. But I suspect that Bob and I will get that done. I've been a little too preoccupied with the other stuff as the opportunity to save the disintegrating c.1900 music took precedence over the more manageable (and in a bit better condition) Rudymusic!
Just in case new visitors are discovering the Drop Box, here is a link to all the combined (and RECENTLY UPDATED-9.23.14) Index files for Publishers and by Titles. There are close to 600 titles now.
As soon as I can get my upload done, I will be posting a link to two more folders: the NEW PAGANI (just added--about 71 titles)
and the original PAGANI folder which will now contain ALL (completed) PAGANI.
So, those who have already downloaded the first (original) Pagani titles will not have to return to that folder, but can just download the NEW PAGANI folder.
Re: Drop Box is now available for Italian 'ballo liscio' sheet mu
These titles are new to the Drop Box as I keep finding things that I've forgotten I had!! Both titles are from the di Bella collection: Marsala Mia (M1 & M2) w chords and Margaret polka M1 w chords. Marsala Mia is a delightful mazurka. O di Bella named the polka for his daughter who born in 1936.
Thanks for the Pagani update, Sheri! I've played many of these tunes for some years, when Jim Garber kindly sent me a stack of Pagani scans, but your new ones are better image quality. I posted my recordings of a number of Pagani waltzes a few months ago (Link). These were all written by Santi Tafarella and all also included in your new Dropbox uploads.
Your new upload reminded me of another of the Pagani tunes, this one by F. Della Rosa and titled "Serenata Napoletana". It's a nice delicate tune which we've had in our group's repertoire folder for a number of years now although we only give it a runthrough once or twice a year. Memory jogged, we played it at our rehearsal this week and I've just recorded it at home today, adding a mandocello part to the three Pagani parts:
I've consolidated the NEW Pagani folder into the original Pagani A-Z folder. the new stuff (added in late August) remains in a separate folder. I'm trying to avoid duplication and save space in Drop Box. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sgsjhdsba...34mCfoIIa?dl=0
I've added the G. Leone music catalog listings. if you haven't seen these catalog listings, I think you might take a look at the folder if for no other reason than to see the scope of this project and appreciate the beauty of the artwork. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/g2slmtau8...8U_0uC-Ba?dl=0
I've also been gleaning my files/reserves and while some of you have my MM book, I still have titles with M2 parts that were not included in my book, so I've uploaded these originals: M2 parts from di Bella: Marsala Mia, La Napoletana et. al.
Again, it is our hope that in time more pieces will emerge to complete the Trios that lack a part.
We have very nearly achieved a total of 600 titles. An amazing number of melodies! and kudos to Martin Jonas for recording these as we have gone along. Thank you for keeping the spirit of this music alive and well. Sheri~
Re: Drop Box is now available for Italian 'ballo liscio' sheet mu
Oh dear! it may be due to consolidation. I apologize for the inconvenience.
I'm posting links here for the MISCELLANEOUS folder. This is a collection of lesser known publishers and predecessors to the big wave of Italian composers comping over a decade later. Please let me know if there is any trouble with this link.
Your new upload reminded me of another of the Pagani tunes, this one by F. Della Rosa and titled "Serenata Napoletana". It's a nice delicate tune which we've had in our group's repertoire folder for a number of years now although we only give it a runthrough once or twice a year. Memory jogged, we played it at our rehearsal this week and I've just recorded it at home today, adding a mandocello part to the three Pagani parts:
I've looked for the 2nd mandolin part for Margaret's Polka, but found none.
Does anyone have this part?
I assume that you are looking thru Sheri's files? The only one I see is called Margaretella Polka and there is only M1 + chords. Is that the one you mean?
Jim
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It hasn't shown up as yet. But it's great to put it out there. I know Martin Jonas would like to see it. It may still show up as there are more archives to be investigated. It's a great polka and would be even better with a Mando 2! and a guitar!
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