There is a thread on this tune. I am on my phone otherwise I would post a link.
John Arcand, a virtuoso Métis fiddler wrote this tune. I would learn it from his recording.
Grey Owl
There is a thread on this tune. I am on my phone otherwise I would post a link.
John Arcand, a virtuoso Métis fiddler wrote this tune. I would learn it from his recording.
Grey Owl
Jim
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Here's my version of "Old Buck." I might be a little late hitting that high B flat.
https://youtu.be/jpUqHi6yzVU
And here's my "Ways of the World."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XffKKfXAH-o
Cary: that is one of my very favorites. I have been playing a bunch of A tunes that I normally play in cross tuning on the fiddle. I like the sound of the mandolin in A and in standard tuning. Working on some inspired by you folks. Sweet Marie, Ways of the World, and Grey Owl. Diving lately also into Wine’s Delight, Salty River Reel, Half Past Four, Bitter Creek and Wake Up Susan.
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Here’s an essay about the various ways to learn fiddle tunes, which much to say about notation versus ear learning. I’m a full time ear learner and also a believer in improvising the nuance.
http://oldtime-central.com/a-reasone...oldtime-music/
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Sierra F5 #30 (2005)
Altman 2-point (2007)
Portuguese fado cittern (1965)
I learned fiddle and mandolin mostly by ear and always ingest these tunes from the ether. OTOH I am an avid reader so I combine both sources. Sometimes what I hear from an original source differs what someone else hears and notates, so I take that into consideration when shaping my learning.
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Notes/tab, with ear work for me. Last summer, Don Stiernberg had us read sheets (had notes and tab) for the jazz tune Four Brothers. I could plow ahead fairly well and smoothly by reading the tab, all along keeping the tune's melody in my head, so both ear and notes/tab came into play.
Here's the latest one I'm working on. I got this from a couple of different sources but never could find a recording of the alleged source musician, Estil (sometimes Estill) Adams, playing it. I read that it's published in the Milliner-Koken Collection but I haven't seen the transcription.
https://soundcloud.com/scott-rucker-...on-court-house
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Scott: Milliner-Koken has Jeff Goehring as the source for this tune. You can hear and download an mp3 of him playing it here.
That is the Slippery-Hill site which has a large collection of old time soundfiles from various sources. And excellent resource. If you start using it be sure to donate to the site.
I never heard of Estill Adams. There is a fiddler named Estill Bingham, but I don't see any reference to his playing that tune.
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Goehring learned tunes from recordings of Adams that Jeff made himself. This is supposed to be one of those tunes, like Putney Run and Cincinnati Hornpipe. I got it from some friends that include Henry Barnes.
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Goehring did a bunch of field recordings of Ohio fiddlers. Some of those are issued through our site, Field Recorders Collective but none of Estil Adams. It is funny that the source of that tune is not mentioned in the Milliner-Koken book. I can find out more info. These are the Goehring recordings on FRC.
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I have his Jimmy Wheeler recordings and love them.
Scott
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Hello, everybody. I just started on "First Night in Leadville", Ryan's Mammoth p42. Norman Blake does a version of this delightful tune (on guitar) on his album "Far Away Down on a Georgia Farm" You can find it on Youtube.
Ha, ha! keep time: how sour sweet music is,
When time is broke and no proportion kept!
--William Shakespeare
My attempt at the Rebels Raid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjEktlW_N-I
Gina Lisa
L&N Rag
Nate Payne’s great big Taters. It’s seems to sound much fuller when I use double stops whenever I can manage it.
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Altman 2-point (2007)
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Great tune. I started in on it too. Norman's version is so good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J_1s1iKGO4
Last edited by Don Grieser; May-10-2019 at 4:58pm.
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Old Grimes
Fisher's Hornpipe
Czar of Russia's Hornpipe, and Tuttle's Reel - both from the James Bryan Lookout Blues record
Red Lion Hornpipe - from the James Bryan First of May record.
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"Mean Old Timer, He's got grey hair, Mean Old Timer he just don't care
Got no compassion, thinks its a sin
All he does is sit around an play the Mandolin"
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Czar and Red lion are both in Cole's 1001 Fiddle tunes
Which Norman referenced on some liner notes somewhere....
Tuttle's was not hard to find on line and has a surprisingly similar form to Czar
I think James couples Czar with Atlanta Hornpipe (also in Cole's) and Ole Bull's Hornpipe
I think Ole Bull was a popular 19th century fiddler.
He couples Red Lion with Thunder Hornpipe (also in Cole's)
Take's Youtube Bluegrass Album channel has both of James Records posted.
I had them both on vinyl but lost them in the shuffle of life.
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step around johnny. Has there ever been a funkier tune?
Last edited by Jim Nollman; May-29-2019 at 6:57pm.
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So I got this new (to me) Octave and was trying different things on it when I "automatically" started playing this melody on it , and I wasn't sure what it was and then I naturally went to the B part and got it mostly the first rip. Turned out to be "Kennedy Rag". I had just heard it the other day, but never really played it, at least I don't recall ever playing it. It is the opening tune on Norman Blake and the Rising Fawn String Ensemble's "Full Moon on the Farm" album. I recall Norman mentioning visiting old radio stations around the Chattanooga region and trying to learn tunes off the old 78's. Kennedy Rag was one of those tunes. So I guess I am working on it now!
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Got no compassion, thinks its a sin
All he does is sit around an play the Mandolin"
Hmmmm. It must be something in the air. I have been exploring tunes played in F and Bb lately. Of the old time ones, Kennedy Rag is tops on my list. I avoided those keys for years especially on fiddle but I was playing a Québécois tune in Bb ("Reel du Pêcheur") the other day and getting somewhere. I used to play Dallas Rag in F on the mandolin or mandolin-banjo.
You can hear the original Stripling Brother's version of Kennedy Rag here.
Jim
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