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    Default Re: This weeks mandolin that won't get a bid or buyer

    RARE & UNUSUAL could probably apply to the label; it's pretty unusual and possibly so rare as to say there's never been another like it.

    Anybody notice how crisp the lettering is on his "better view close-up" of the label as opposed to the "weathered" label inside the instrument? I wanted to mention this in the original thread, but decided to hold my peace. The "close up" shot shows lettering that is perfectly printed and almost looks embossed; also, the paper appears to be that course old type of paper that shows fibers, but doesn't appear weathered at all. Either it is a different label altogether than the one inside the instrument, or this guy has heavily photoshopped that image.

    Surely I'm not the only one who got that impression on the first go-round?

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    Glue looks fresh.

    First image, top edge of label, seems label has been applied over existing scratches, gouges. Am I being too suspicious?
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    My apologies, that original thread was locked down, I probably shouldn't have posted here ... please delete if my post is inappropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    Please warn me next time before you do that.
    Yes PLEASE! I dropped a whole handful of mashed potatoes and gravy!
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    It was locked down because of the OP saying he was going to sell it. No problem posting the labels.
    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    I guess I lost interest, didn’t know it had been locked down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbofood View Post
    Yes PLEASE! I dropped a whole handful of mashed potatoes and gravy!
    You eat mashed potatoes and gravy with your hands?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles E. View Post
    You eat mashed potatoes and gravy with your hands?!
    You can't take him out to eat.
    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them". These are the words of J. Garber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    You can't take him out to eat.
    Depends on where you go. I know one local place where that would make him either one of the crowd or the entertainment, depending on the night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Gunter View Post
    RARE & UNUSUAL could probably apply to the label; it's pretty unusual and possibly so rare as to say there's never been another like it.

    Anybody notice how crisp the lettering is on his "better view close-up" of the label as opposed to the "weathered" label inside the instrument? I wanted to mention this in the original thread, but decided to hold my peace. The "close up" shot shows lettering that is perfectly printed and almost looks embossed; also, the paper appears to be that course old type of paper that shows fibers, but doesn't appear weathered at all. Either it is a different label altogether than the one inside the instrument, or this guy has heavily photoshopped that image.

    Surely I'm not the only one who got that impression on the first go-round?

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    Glue looks fresh.

    First image, top edge of label, seems label has been applied over existing scratches, gouges. Am I being too suspicious?
    Its Junk...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    You can't take him out to eat.
    The last time it happened, I was out at a big, fancy, expensive restaurant and the girl I was out with (she was wearing one of those really deep plunging neckline dresses) took a fork and scratched her back right in the middle of that place! I was so embarrassed...

    With greatest respect to the memory of the late Billy Ray Latham. May he laugh in peace.

    To be fair, dropping the handful is preferable to spraying coffee all over a coffee shop, isn’t it?
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    I think we're going to have to draw straws to see who has to take you out for lunch Tim
    Last edited by MikeEdgerton; Oct-12-2018 at 7:10am.
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    Any time buddy!
    We will have to go someplace elegant!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbofood View Post
    someplace elegant!
    The Road Kill Grill of Kalamazoo. Can't get any better than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbofood View Post
    ... took a fork and scratched her back ...
    That's what I call resourceful. With the right sweeping motion and a dainty two-finger grip on the fork it can be more elegant than picking your nose with chopsticks. Lauren Bacall might have done that in The Big Sleep and got away with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Gunter View Post
    The Road Kill Grill of Kalamazoo. Can't get any better than that.
    No such joint here, no matter what anyone says and if there were they would be faking it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertram Henze View Post
    That's what I call resourceful. With the right sweeping motion and a dainty two-finger grip on the fork it can be more elegant than picking your nose with chopsticks. Lauren Bacall might have done that in The Big Sleep and got away with it.
    Lauren Bacall could have scratched her back with a gravediggers shovel and made it look good!
    Oh, and +2 points for thread integration!
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    Default Re: This weeks mandolin that won't get a bid or buyer

    Quote Originally Posted by Timbofood View Post
    The last time it happened, I was out at a big, fancy, expensive restaurant and the girl I was out with (she was wearing one of those really deep plunging neckline dresses) took a fork and scratched her back right in the middle of that place! I was so embarrassed...
    I feel your pain. Everybody knows the correct utensil to scratch your back with, in public, is the knife.

    Now might be a good time to ask if she had a tiny dog in her purse, because she has a lot of class... unfortunately, it's all low.
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    Regarding labels, I notice that a 1931 label shows GIBSON, Inc. rendered as I have typed it. This was an era when punctuation was not "more honoured in the breach than in the observance" like it is, today.

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    This a label from a 1939 Gibson archtop guitar. It was pointed out by a Cafe member in the earlier thread.
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    The label I saw, was this one- 1931 Nick Lucas. It's definitely an early 1930s Nick Lucas so the date is accurate.Click image for larger version. 

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    I still think the Gibson relationship with Virzi was done by that time. Beyond that I'm amazed that I wasn't able to find any ready documentation of Gibson using that name. They obviously did for a long period of time.
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    I think you are probably right about Virzi and the Gibson connection- it was probably over by 1931 if not quite a few years earlier. Personally, I think the instrument, which stylistically reminds me of central Europe is early 1930s at the newest. I wonder if the Wall Street Crash and the subsequent Depression derailed various activities and collaborations as the reverberations from those financial cataclysms were great. Although it may be a US made instrument, it could be a less expensive European manufactured item kitted out with American hardware, after its arrival. I would have thought that if it had been made in the USA, there would be some knowledge of it among members of this board as it surely would have been part of a reasonable production run. From an UK perspective, US made instruments were very expensive in comparison to what could be sourced from Germany, Czechoslovakia or Italy back in the 1920s and 1930s. It would have been the same in the USA- your profit margin would be much greater if the instrument was made in Europe.

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    Be quick or you'll miss this one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-V...oAAOSwLZBbwoZl
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonydxn View Post
    Be quick or you'll miss this one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-V...oAAOSwLZBbwoZl
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    not a new concept at all...
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    Missing pickguard. Nice nut!

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